Last post on Dec 12, 2013 at 7:56 PM
You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19306 of 20241 Accord and Fusion
Sep 22, 2013 (4:32 am)
The Accord is faster, gets higher safety ratings, and gets better mpg. The Fusion has a better top end sound system, and may have the other advantages talked about. Many people like the looks of the Fusion better. Both are great cars. You probably can't go wrong. Buy what your heart and head tell you to get.
Here's Car and Driver on the Accord V-6:
"...our Touring example sprinted to 60 mph in 5.6 seconds and tripped the quarter-mile lights in 14.1 seconds at 101 mph. Those figures put it solidly ahead of all its competitors and into sports-sedan territory; the Accord ties our long-term, six-speed-manual BMW 328i to 60 and trumps that car in the quarter by 0.2 second and 1 mph...."
#19307 of 20241 Re: New Mazda 6 [brian125]
Sep 22, 2013 (5:02 am)
Appreciate your oppinion. From what I've read and living in NJ, my prices to start at are for a 2014 v6 w Nav and touring are 27500 and 29500 (touring). Lmk if you think those numbers are good goals.
#19308 of 20241 Re: New Mazda 6 [vser]
Sep 22, 2013 (5:36 am)
Auto-Sport honda in Bridge water Nj will sell for invoice on your model.
If you buy at the end of the month you may be able to get vehicle for a little below invoice . Speak with the Int sales mgr. George tell him your my friend he will do the right thing by you. I'm in the Accord forum if you need me.
I'll tell you this........... i read what benjaminh posted on the Accord ratings and reviews... if the Accord V-6 came in stick what a beast it would be for the money.. I think i would enjoy this car even more. What i dont like about this model Accord is---- its to low to the ground, to small inside for me I'm 6'1 240 and when you move drivers seat back it reclines down. outside of these few things i dont like the Accord is a homerun. Most of my driving is done in bmw X-5. I have had several suv's the last 10 years so i guess i like the fact of being higher up and having a better view of the road and its easier to get in and out of the SUv's.
#19309 of 20241 Re: New Mazda 6 [vser]
Sep 22, 2013 (6:50 am)
Same with the Optima EX. The stereo lacks bass response and I can tell the amp is probably only 15 watts per channel. The infotainment portion of the stereo is great though. It has USB, two AUX inputs, bluetooth, and Satellite radio.
To make things worse, the rear speakers are in the doors, not in the deck lid, which would have greatly improved bass response. So, I checked out the rear deck, hoping there were pre-cut holes there for the higher-end SX Infinity system so I could add some speakers and an amp, but no dice.
So, I added an Infinity 200 watt space saving powered sub-woofer in the trunk. Total cost including installation: $300. It takes up only 1 cubic ft of space, and fattened up the bass response. The stock stereo does have 6 speakers...so the sub addition very much solves the problem.
Sep 22, 2013 (6:59 am)
The Fusion hybrid does have one of the best mpg ratings but it does cost quite a bit more than the 4cyl as does the Camry. Consumer Reports really likes it too. The MKZ hybrid is not as good deal a deal as the Ford.
I'm sure Honda will price their hybrid just as high as Toyota whenever it finally arrives.
However, Sonata hybrids can be had for about the same as the Sonata 4cyl Ltds even with the hybrid Ltd package. And the Hyundai hybrids have standard features not found on any other trim level of the Sonata.
A poster on another forum reputedly got over $6K off msrp of the 2013 Sonata Hybrid Ltd last week probably because the 2014s will be at dealerships soon.
No changes for the HSH powertrain for 2014 as it was extensively upgraded for my 2013 and I can personally attest to the improvements as I traded a 2011 for a 2013.
We have never gotten less than 40 mpg after 6,000 miles on the new one.
#19311 of 20241 Re: Fused [kyrpto]
Sep 22, 2013 (9:55 am)
Reviews of the Sonata Hybrid consistently complain about the brakes, the handling, and delays in the power delivery. Not a situation I would want in a brand-new vehicle. Add to that the reputation of Hyundai USA making exaggerated claims as to economy and their consistent lack of customer & warranty support when problems are encountered and I would be very wary of buying a tech-filled vehicle like the Hybrid from Hyundai.
#19312 of 20241 Re: New Mazda 6 [brian125]
Sep 22, 2013 (10:15 am)
I agree on the home-run aspect of the Accord. Folks who would like near sport sedan performance for a lot less than cars beginning with 3 or A will be happy with the EX-L V6, and many will be pleased to have a real 6 speed automatic instead of the CVT is lesser Accords.
The Accord V6 Coupe is available is available with a stick, and will make many sports car owners think twice before initiating a friendly stoplight sprint.
The Mazda 6 is a great choice too for a drivers car, perhaps the best as far a steering is concerned, but it's lack of an optional higher horsepower engine mean those looking for more zoom-zoom are shopping elsewhere. Mazda was supposed to add a 2.2 liter twin- turbo Diesel motor with an impressive 310 lb ft of torque, but I has now been delayed until late spring due to EPA certification problems.
However, while powerful, the Mazda diesel would most likely not be a high performance choice comparable with V6 Accords, turbo Son-optima's, and even the Malibu with it's 260 hp and 295 lb ft. turbo 4.
#19313 of 20241 Re: New Mazda 6 [vser]
Sep 22, 2013 (10:38 am)
I really like my Fusion, it's a Titanium with everything except driver assist package(something like that).
The 2.0 has more power than I need and delivers good mileage.
I'm averaging about 29 mpg overall.
You need to try several different cars and figure out which one works best for you.
My BIL thinks it's too narrow inside, but I fit in it just fine.
At some point, you mentioned AWD. None of the other cars being discussed here have that available.
I had a 2007 Fusion AWD and it was excellent in bad weather. If you compare FWD and AWD Fusions back to back, you will see they drive very differently.
#19314 of 20241 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [plekto]
Sep 22, 2013 (10:40 am)
Agreed, Toyota has gotten too big for its britches. I own a 2001 Camry and I'm looking for a replacement. It seems like I'd be THE guy that Toyota would be courting for a new car but I've got nothing from them.
I had a dispute over a repair charge (an electrical problem that was solved with a new battery). I had to tell them that I'd bought that battery within the last 48 months, so it's on warranty and the cost is pro-rated, right? The guy behind the counter says in a disgusted tone, "Yeah." Then their charge was $50 higher than I thought it should be (and $50 higher than their quote). When I got a survey mailed to me and downgraded the Service Dept. based on this experience, I expected some sort of feedback or explanation or something. Not that want to make a federal case over a $50 dispute, but I was disappointed to hear back NOTHING.
Toyota doesn't think that they need to reach out to me, it's my JOB to come back to them and buy an overpriced vehicle. I don't think so, Toyota. The Camry has been a very good car but their customer service sucks, so I'll be looking elsewhere this time around. They're indifferent, so I don't care if they don't. Have a nice life, Toyota.
Sep 22, 2013 (10:45 am)
My next door neighbor brought home his new S60 late yesterday.
This morning someone backed into it in a parking lot, damaging both left side doors.