Last post on Dec 07, 2013 at 12:35 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19122 of 20212 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [plekto]
Aug 24, 2013 (8:26 am)
I like the Fusion (it wouldn't be on my short list if I didn't), but I couldn't disagree with you more on the new Accord. While the Fusion is a better driver's car overall (I've driven several 2013s - even a 1.6L Ecoboost with a manual), the manual equipped Accord is a much faster ride (and in real world driving, I suspect it would also get better mileage than than Fusion regardless of their "official" EPA certifications). But there are a number of other factors to consider too.
The Fusion SE's sound system is very poor - it has the same number speakers as an Accord EX, but the Accord's speakers are larger and their placement produces better overall sound (the rears are in the deck rather than in the rear doors like the Fusion).
True, Honda's LaneWatch system is gimmicky, but no more so (I'd say far less so) than Ford's Buck Rogers turn signal stalk. I may never use LaneWatch, but I'd be forced to contend with BR every time I drove the Fusion.
Furthermore, regardless of what anyone from Planet Ford tries to assure me, I don't believe the average Fusion is going to be as reliable as the average Accord. I could only hope that if I buy a 2014 Ford, it's going to be far more reliable than the piece of garbage 2010 they sold me a few years ago.
Ford bet big on touch screen infotainment and miniature turbochargers a few years ago and their once improving quality got put on the back burner. Unfortunately, neither of those bets has turned out well for them. Their turbos are developing a reputation for getting the same or worse real world mileage than their competitors' more powerful regularly aspirated motors and I have concerns that the driveability problems being reported by many 3.5L Ecoboost owners may not be unique.
The icing on the proverbial cake is that if you do get a problematic Fusion, you're going to get hit again if you try to ditch it because Ford's fleet sales are so much higher than that of Honda.
Again, I don't hate the Fusion - I very much enjoyed the Ecoboost manual I drove a few months ago. If I had more faith in Ford products, I probably wouldn't be as weighing the sacrifices (SiriusXM; color choices with the Accord and sunroof; SiriusXM with the Mazda 6 Sport) I'd have to make by choosing one of its competitors.
#19123 of 20212 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [gogophers1]
Aug 24, 2013 (9:02 am)
"Furthermore, regardless of what anyone from Planet Ford tries to assure me, I don't believe the average Fusion is going to be as reliable as the average Accord. I could only hope that if I buy a 2014 Ford, it's going to be far more reliable than the piece of garbage 2010 they sold me a few years ago."
One thing I came to realize as I faced recall after recall on my new Ford Focus a dozen years ago, is that a car is an astonishingly complex piece of machinery today. There are thousands of parts, each of which must work perfectly with all the others. And when it comes down to it you are betting your life and the life of some other people on those parts being well made and working together. Suddenly the slight extra cost of a Honda seemed worth it to me. Honda sometimes makes mistakes too, and they've had their failures with transmissions, airbags, and other things, but overall their reputation for quality is more or less deserved.
Ford has improved in the last ten years, but as you experienced, and as the experience of Car and Driver shows, it hasn't always been consistent.
#19124 of 20212 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [benjaminh]
Aug 24, 2013 (11:38 am)
I agree that Honda manuals are among the best, but I honestly had no clear preference in the linkage or clutch take-up between the Fusion SE 1.6 Ecoboost, Honda Accord Sport and Mazda 6 Sport when I drove them a few months ago - they were all fine.
Were I able to get the Mazda 6 manual with a sunroof and SiriusXM, it would be the clear winner over the others (and I love the steel blue color available on the 6...) - it has the most serious, driver oriented interior and it just feels more "me" than the other two. Alas, I cannot.
Interestingly, Mazda has made the Touring trim (like the Sport, it's also not available with a sunroof) available now with a stick but not the Grand Touring - whoop dee doo, I say. If I wanted a $25K new car with a vinyl (ahem, leatherette) interior and no sunroof, I'd be looking at Passats.
Aug 24, 2013 (2:27 pm)
I went to Tirerack to check out the my OEM 19" Continental tires on my Fusion.
They are rated for 40k miles and are listed at $245 each.
A comparable Michelin is $20 cheaper per tire and are rated for 55k.
This may change by the time i need tires, but I'm glad I started my tire replacement account.
#19126 of 20212 Re: Hyundai Sonata/Azera Recall - Rust!! [suydam]
Aug 24, 2013 (9:40 pm)
I am looking at the Sonata as a replacement for our 2009 Nissan Murano SL AWD. It's too bad Nissan won't stand behind THIER product. They did replace the CVT (now that they extended the factory warranty to 10yr/120K) but our transfer case was leaking too (as so many of them have) and we were told it couldn't be rebuilt since it was one that had been made with a bad part! What floored me was we got NO help from Nissan at all with the cost of the replacement part. I even contacted the executive offices in TN. $3K later, I still have a metallic rattle when the CVT is trying to kick out of the first "gear" and after reading about how many others had the same issue, I am VERY worried I will have to replace both drive train components again if we hang on to the car. An '09 with under 100K and 2/3 of the drive train failed, ridiculous. NEVER BUY NISSAN!
#19127 of 20212 Back from vacation. Optima performance...
Aug 26, 2013 (1:48 am)
She ran fantastically. My only gripe was the TPMS system is too sensitive. On the way down I got a warning about 200 miles into the trip, and stopped to make sure all was ok. The tire was two pounds over due to heat. No warning light was necessary. Also, if the car can sense an inflation problem, why can't it tell me which tire????
Same thing happened on the way back, but went off on its own after I slowed to 60 for 25 miles through Goldsboro NC. The trip was 400 miles each way to Oak Island, NC, and I put 400 miles on it while in the area with several trips to Myrtle beach that were 60 miles each way.
The ride was great on the superslab. That's all.
#19128 of 20212 Re: Back from vacation. Optima performance... [cski]
Aug 26, 2013 (2:52 am)
I like the design of the Optima, but remain convinced that Hyundai/Kia engineering is not up to the standard of other major players. The phrase "you get what you pay for" exists for a reason. All the attention paid to trick features and geegaws means corners get cut somewhere.
How is Oak Island doing these days? I spent a week there many years ago and often thought it would be a neat place to live. The condo on the beach we rented was fabulous. Wouldn't want to be there in a hurricane though.
#19129 of 20212 Re: Back from vacation. Optima performance... [cski]
Aug 26, 2013 (6:30 am)
Different TPMS's do show which tire. My 05 Nissan Quest shows each individual tire pressure...but you still have to determine what tire each reading is for. My (now sold) 06 Lexus would only show a tire warning indicator without giving an individual reading; I suppose they figure if one tire has an issue you should check them all while you're at it.
#19130 of 20212 Re: Back from vacation. Optima performance... [cski]
Aug 26, 2013 (8:51 am)
So you never mentioned if your car got to redeem its rather poor FE thus far, on a more averaged out highway run?
#19131 of 20212 Re: Back from vacation. Optima performance... [gimmestdtranny]
Aug 26, 2013 (4:07 pm)
Sorry Gimmee. I was exhausted after 10 days with 3 preteen kids and my elderly mother, who broke (hairline) and twisted her hip in the ocean. Also, my A/C at home died the day before I left, so I just got a new blower motor in at 4pm today.
The 6 hour trip took 10 hours because of a non stop traffic jam from Fairfax to Richmond. That is 80 miles folks. Fredricksburg, VA is at the epicenter, where route 17 and 95 merge. It has been voted the worst traffic area on 95...period. Avoid at all costs. Long haul travelers take 301. The rest of us just need to bring Xanax. Awful.
Alright. The FE ! It redeemed itself. Even after 2.5 hours in stop and go traffic I ended up with 31.8 down, and 34.1 on the way back. This is on 70 mph (legal) roads, so the real speeds were more like 80, until the aforementioned Fredricksburg nightmare.
What also redeemed itself was the seats. The lumbar support and the tilt on the drivers seat cushion allowed me to be comfortable during 90% of the trip, and I believe the other 10% was due to my size. I need to drop a few.
The drivers seat has one caveat. If it was an inch longer my thighs would have been better supported, but I am 6'3". Nuff said there.
The best part of the beachhouse was the covered parking under the house, and the completely leak free high power hose contained within. I was able to wash and fully detail for nights out to downtown Myrtle Beach.
The ride. It was great, and even better when the car was loaded. Very smooth, dependable car with good pickup, and no trouble passing slow traffic, even at 80 mph. It felt like it could reach its top speed of 130, but precious cargo and seasoning have capped my speed at 85...never more.