Last post on Dec 09, 2013 at 7:13 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Aug 22, 2013 (9:00 pm)
I see the build configurator is finally up on Honda's website for the 2014 Accord... and disappointed I am. I was really hoping that Honda would make the manual tranny EX available in something other than 2 shades of gray in 2014 - nope. And you can still forget about getting SiriusXM unless you're willing to surrender driver involvement (read: CVT) and plop down on cow hides. Seriously Honda? Your options packaging stinks. Are you taking pages out of Mazda's book?
After all the torture I've went through with my current Ford product [with never-ending trips to the service dept.], I'm actually thinking of replacing it with a '14 Fusion...
I guess we'll see what Mazda does with its diesel first - please, please Mazda: make the diesel available stateside with a stick shift, satellite radio and sunroof. My checkbook is ready.
#19110 of 20237 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [gogophers1]
Aug 22, 2013 (10:00 pm)
The Fusion SE is by far a better car at this point. And they offer it with manual, though you'll have to search a long time or order it and wait.
Honda and Toyota are unfortunately falling into Mercedes-Itis, where they are charging extra for their image alone. And in the $20K or so segment, that's a tough pill to swallow. Especially when their cars are such a giant piece of Tupperware. Great engines, but you might as well be inside a GM rental car.
IMO, the extra few hundred dollars for a Fusion over a Camry or Accord is a no-brainer.
#19111 of 20237 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [gogophers1]
Aug 23, 2013 (5:23 am)
Consider yourself lucky that Honda even offers the Accord with a manual transmission at all. I understand it is frustrating that they only offer it in grey or black. What's the big deal? It's on the same assembly line for Pete's sake. If you have to have a stick shift Accord and you absolutely DESPISE the black or grey, then bring it to a body shop & have it painted any color you want. I'm not trying to be rude or sarcastic, but that's the way of the American Auto Industry. Build what you can sell. The take rate on stick shifts as a whole is what, between 5 - 7%?
#19112 of 20237 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [nyccarguy]
Aug 23, 2013 (6:37 am)
I really dug the blue, was kinda bummed about the two colors. Mazda will put a stick up to Touring trim in any color. But I liked the Accord better in everything but exterior looks, so I got a grey one. I finally saw a blue Sport (CVT) on the lot when I went back to get my license plates, and I must say, it wasn't as good in person as I had expected. The sport wheels with their grey painted accents really work best with my grey exterior, IMO. I'm satisfied after all.
#19113 of 20237 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [gogophers1]
Aug 23, 2013 (8:56 am)
Not offering XM satellite was a deal breaker for me as far as considering an accord manual tranny in a 4 cylinder. Plus the goofy blind spot monitor system Honda uses.
#19114 of 20237 any turbo drivers out there?
Aug 23, 2013 (2:26 pm)
I've been running my Fusion on RUG, but I've been reading how much better DI Turbo cars run using premium gas.
Really happy with my mileage, but always willing to look at a better alternative.
#19115 of 20237 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [ral2167]
Aug 23, 2013 (3:16 pm)
My brother-in-law runs his xm in his 2012 Civic through his smart phone.
#19116 of 20237 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [gogophers1]
Aug 23, 2013 (3:57 pm)
But Honda's manuals are among the very best in the whole auto biz. Test drive one and see. Mazda's are probably equal.
Imho you should not let color or lack of xm hold you back if you want one of the best manual trans in a midsize. It gets to 60 a full second faster than a manual Fusion. Clear choice in my book.
The Mazda6 is also a great choice for a manual.
#19117 of 20237 Re: 2014 Honda Accord [plekto]
Aug 23, 2013 (3:28 pm)
"...Honda and Toyota are unfortunately falling into Mercedes-Itis, where they are charging extra for their image alone. And in the $20K or so segment, that's a tough pill to swallow. Especially when their cars are such a giant piece of Tupperware. Great engines, but you might as well be inside a GM rental car.
IMO, the extra few hundred dollars for a Fusion over a Camry or Accord is a no-brainer."
Don't agree. And this seems like a mixed message of Honda charging more and yet the Fusion costs even more than that?
Accord has more ultra-high grade steel than the Fusion, and does better on the IIHS crash test. The Accord also gets to 60 faster, gets better mpg, has better visibility, and more standard features.
Fusion makes you pay extra for the "good" engine, while with the Accord it's standard.
The Fusion is a very good car, but it's far from a "no brainer."
The interior is a matter of taste. No clear winner there.
Aug 23, 2013 (3:54 pm)
They weren't that fond of every element of the Fusion's interior. Again, it's a very good car, but saying it's better than an Accord is a matter of opinion. Car and Driver ranked the Accord above the Fusion. But then again Car and Driver also ranked the brand-new Mazda6 above even the Accord!
"...Packaging is the Fusion’s biggest weakness. Somehow, it has the longest wheelbase by 1.8 inches and ties with the Passat for longest overall length, yet manages to feel like it has the smallest back seat in the group. Knees rub the front seatbacks, and forget using the middle seatbelt. The front buckets are set farther back behind thick B-pillars, and that—plus wide, plastic sill extensions—makes getting out more of a squirm job, especially if you’re short. The Fusion also has the smallest fuel tank and the narrowest trunk opening, items that can become daily annoyances.
Our preproduction test car suffered multiple neural crises, at times flashing warning lights as if it were Christmas in Times Square. Attention Dearborn: Fix this stuff before showtime...."
The last part sounds very like my all-new 2000 Ford Focus ZTS with more than dozen recalls and all sorts of glitches. I'm sure Fords are better now, but this reminds me why I swore off of them.
Again, the Fusion is a very good car! One of the tops in the whole segment. In some areas it is better than the Accord (styling, perhaps, and some elements of the interior), but it's far from the only best choice in the midsize segment.