Last post on Dec 13, 2013 at 6:50 AM
You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19093 of 20244 Re: 2012 Optima- When to change Wiper Blades? [explorerx4]
Aug 16, 2013 (5:58 am)
Damn, that bites! Why don't you swap cars every time you stop along the route? I have been really looking forward to my first long road trip with the Optima, especially to see how she does with MPG/FE, and I can't imagine having to let my wife drive it! If I needed to pick up furniture, I would have to drive our giant old 2003 Ford F-150 quad cab, with a 5.4 liter V8, and at best it gets 17 mpg. It usually just sits until someone in the family needs to move or or whatever. It's handy. My wife usually just drives my elderly mothers 2010 Kia Forte' EX.
The Bosch Advantage beam-style wiper blades I installed are killer, especially in conjunction with the Rain-X. Today was the first morning that I got to use them, and I was blown away. I am buying them for my wife and my mother as soon as we get back from Myrtle Beach.
#19094 of 20244 Re: Hyundai Sonata/Azera Recall - Rust!! [andres3]
Aug 16, 2013 (5:02 am)
>But those bad truck frames were made by a US supplier...
Of course they were. :grin
>and shown to not meet Toyota specifications.
Of course they didn't. :grin
#19095 of 20244 Re: Truth about cars on Camry [cski]
Aug 16, 2013 (6:05 am)
Back in 2002 I was car shopping and had a chance to drive a 2003 Camry with leather. What I remember was an almost creamy smooth engine and transmission. Quiet and solid. It was a 4 cylinder and I was very impressed. I think MSRP was mid 20's. I needed a bigger car and ended up with a 2002 Chrysler Concorde Limited which had a huge trunk and nice interior. Trouble free for 80k miles. Back to the 03 Camry. I rented a new 2013 in February and it was totally different from the 03. VERY firm ride and very noticeable engine noise. Maybe my memory on the 03 is faulty -- anyone have a comment ?
#19096 of 20244 Re: Hyundai Sonata/Azera Recall - Rust!! [suydam]
Aug 16, 2013 (6:17 am)
I don't think recalls are necessarily bad either - just pointing out that even mighty Toyota who some people think are perfect can have a bad year with recalls.
#19097 of 20244 Re: Truth about cars on Camry [jayrider]
Aug 16, 2013 (6:29 am)
This just shows how subjective things like "ride" and "handling" are! We drove the '13 Camry Hybrid prior to buying an Accord. Our impressions were of an extremely soft and wallowy ride -- my general experience with the Camry prior to this too. To us the hybrid did not have noticeable engine noise. One thought though -- Maybe the tires had something to do with your rental experience?
#19098 of 20244 Re: Truth about cars on Camry [jayrider]
Aug 16, 2013 (7:07 am)
My MIL has an '05 Camry XLE V6 with 195k miles on it. The only non routine maintenance repair has been a front wheel bearing. She commutes into downtown Chicago every day so it's not like these are leisurely highway miles.
The car is still incredibly smooth and quiet. Not my type of car and I don't particularly like how it drives. The steering is simply way to light and numb for my tastes, but it's her first non-domestic and the first car she's ever had go much past 100k miles w/o falling apart. Her previous '95 Saturn SL2 pretty much fell apart by 100k enduring the same commute.
#19099 of 20244 Re: Truth about cars on Camry [cski]
Aug 16, 2013 (8:38 am)
Yesterday I dropped by a Shell card lock and retail stn cuz I heard they had no ethanol in their 87. The retail part was closed but got chatting with a guy fueling his Chev Isuzu V8 diesel. He has a trucking business. Fairly informed type guy, we were discussing dye in diesel fuel etc (cuz the taxation rate is so different) and the penalties etc. Got around to talking about his Isuzu engine. This was his 3rd Chev, after having too many electrical glitches with the Dodge. Said the Cummins was much thirstier too. When I mentioned that I had a neighbour who had a Chev dually with the Isuzu which started to have quite a number of expensive repairs on the engine at only a little over 110000 miles, he said.."I never take my truck back to the dealer for anything unless I absolutely have to, like a recall or some wty that is prohibitively expensive to cover myself."
"Because...they can do things when they've got it".
He said that ever since he quit taking his machinery back to the dealer, he has had much better luck with them no matter what the issue.
As soon as I heard that, I thought well that's a coincidence cuz I had recently read your post a couple days ago, and another of imadazol's somewhere else talking about dealer sabotaging. I have a feeling this is MUCH more common than one would think.
I'd say that if you find yourself at their mercy some day, bite your tongue until you muster your most diplomatic effort when you realize they are trying to screw you over.
And if some time you just can't hold back..and you do really need to unload on them, make sure it is after you have your keys and the car is out of the shop. And never, ever, EVER under any circumstances, EVER go back..
I wouldn't go back to the Fairfax dealer either...that will be asking for trouble....they're probably on their way out eventually.
#19100 of 20244 Re: Truth about cars on Camry [dieselone]
Aug 16, 2013 (8:54 am)
I had an 88 Camry 4x4, 4 cyl stick. I couldn't believe how tight that car felt still at 175000 miles. Still had original struts even at that mileage. And that is significant because I live in an area where our roads get frost heave damage and broken pavement. Sort of the opposite of the flat and smooth FL roads.
But FF a decade+ and with a quite a number of Toyotas both owned by myself and family/friends over numerous years, and I can safely say there is a noticeable degradation in the quality of the parts they use now. OTOH, prices have come down a lot even in the last decade. So the profit has to come from somewhere..and what better place than components that are out of sight, out of mind...at least for awhile...and things like struts are perfect item hits cuz they usually last the wty period, but not much longer in many cars out there..and not just Toyota..
As consumers, we're not suppose to notice and as long as our Bluetooth stuff and iPods (I don't own either) pair up well and the Nav doesn't freeze up, we seem to forgive an awful lot. Everyone has different priorities and the masses are just superficial enough that companies like Kia and Hyundai have figured out that, hey..if we add a bunch of electronic goodies (that cost them very very little considering the wow-factor they deliver after the fact) we can make consumers sit up and take notice that we may be new to the country, but we're here to be competitive. But vehicle content quality varies among many brands, both NA and Asian, and among individual models/divisions within that brand. It seems to go in cycles as they try to determine the balance between maximizing profit, but meeting quality and consumer expectations. For a while they will have better than needed component quality, until they can massage that down a little, to prop the profit up, and then if that scale reveals they went a little to tight on their bids for quality parts, then they attempt to rebalance that scale.
And I don't expect that strategy to go away anytime soon.
#19101 of 20244 Re: Truth about cars on Camry [gimmestdtranny]
Aug 16, 2013 (10:36 am)
Paranoia runs deep
Into your life it will creep . . .
#19102 of 20244 Re: Truth about cars on Camry [suydam]
Aug 16, 2013 (10:58 am)
So does burying one's head in the sand, taking shovel in hand.