Last post on Dec 10, 2013 at 5:02 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18751 of 20239 Re: NA COTY list out [backy]
Jul 27, 2013 (11:13 am)
I think the Impala looks great, inside and out, and the 3.6 is a perfect fit for the cars size. 305 horsepower and 264 lb ft are respectable numbers and are in line for its class. The Impala is built on GM's Epsilon 2 platform along with the well received Cadillac XTS and the Buick La Cross.
It is in a different class with an older customer base though, and I honestly believe that very few people would shop Impala against a Mazda 6.
The Cadenza (and the Azera) are both built on the Optima/Sonata platform, and with the added weight of the 3.3 V6 and size-altered frame, it has hurt the ride and driving dynamics, causing them to come in dead last in a recent C/D comparo. On a personal note...the Cadenza has an ugly face. Not digging it at all.
My money would be on the Impala....and believe me it takes a lot for me to even consider a GM. The Impala is also available with the 2.4 liter mild hybrid and the 2.5 i-4 from the Malibu (182 HP 172 lb ft and 195 HP 184 lb ft respectively).
The 3.6 is expected to be the sales leader with the hybrid next and the 2.5 left to mostly fleet sales.
Source - MotorTrend
#18752 of 20239 Re: NA COTY list out [backy]
Jul 27, 2013 (11:42 am)
So what do you call the Chevy SS? It's not a fullsize sedan, and it's not a compact sedan, so it must be a midsize sedan. Call it a muscle car or not, four doors + no hatchback = sedan.
#18753 of 20239 Re: NA COTY list out [cski]
Jul 27, 2013 (12:41 pm)
As long as you're pulling out comparos and quoting MT, did you see which car was MT's choice for full-sized sedan? The Cadenza.
I agree few people will cross-shop the Impala and Mazda6. But we weren't talking cross-shopping. I know I'd never consider an Impala just because it's a bigger car than I need. I'd rather have a mid-sized car, one that can give me 40 mpg highway in real world driving like the Mazda6, or even the Sonata--40.0 mpg on a 150 mile trip yesterday.
#18754 of 20239 Re: NA COTY list out [puppybone69]
Jul 27, 2013 (12:44 pm)
It's not a mid-sized family sedan. It's a muscle car, for people who have the need for that sort of thing.
#18755 of 20239 Re: NA COTY list out [backy]
Jul 27, 2013 (1:16 pm)
It is a midsize sedan with a powerful engine option...little different in concept from an E Class AMG or M5, but cheaper. Doesn't belong in mid-size family sedan comparison.
#18756 of 20239 Re: Wards: Toyota not worried about Camry [benjaminh]
Jul 27, 2013 (2:39 pm)
"at a Tundra pickup media event..."
Speaking of struggling sales... Hell, I'd rather talk about Camry, too. The spokesman who has to go to the Tundra event must have lost the office lottery. Or they're hazing the new guy.
#18757 of 20239 Squarish with no flair
Jul 28, 2013 (1:29 pm)
That best, IMHO, describes the Accord's styling.
#18758 of 20239 Re: NA COTY list out [backy]
Jul 28, 2013 (5:41 pm)
I just can't get with the front end on the Cadenza, and I like the way the Impala looks. Since you guys brought up the Impala and the Cadenza, I chimed in. To me, Impala is a pretty car. That's all. Back to mid size!
#18759 of 20239 Re: Squarish with no flair [kyrpto]
Jul 28, 2013 (7:09 pm)
"That best, IMHO, describes the Accord's styling."
But best-in-class safety, acceleration (6MT or V-6), visibility, and standard features. Also best-in-class V-6 mpg.
#18760 of 20239 Re: AutoGuide: Fusion vs. Mazda6 [benjaminh]
Jul 28, 2013 (11:23 pm)
One thing that I've noticed owning a Ford is that the mpg that the computer displays seems to be a consistent 10% lower than what you actually get if you go by miles and amount filled. (same pump, same station, exact same filling technique every time)
But MPG is a minor, minor thing. You couldn't get me to drive something like the Honda Insight. It's just plain flimsy and tacky inside. And while the Mazda 6 might be a slight bit better mechanically, it feels like cars did a decade ago. Basically like a giant version of the 3, which is such a disappointment of plastic and cheap. Rental car companies might love that, but no amount of cheap leather will fix sad designs like that.
The auto magazines might like the Mazda. But actually drive the Fusion or something like a Passat and it's clear that Mazda needs to step up its game..