Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 3:08 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18737 of 20199 Re: NA COTY list out [backy]
Jul 23, 2013 (7:18 pm)
Is that a real question?
Of course, the Mazda6! That is probably the best looking midsize car out there. And the engineering is pretty impressive. Skyactiv is more than just a silly name. There's some real juice behind it.
#18738 of 20199 Re: NA COTY list out [backy]
Jul 23, 2013 (9:23 pm)
What I want to own has nothing to do with which vehicle is chosen. I often don't agree with the choice. I remember some real dogs that have been picked over the years like the Saturn Aura and the Chrysler Cirrus. Motor Trend COTY is even worse when you look back over time. Remember the Vega? So even though I personally really like the Mazda6, my choice often doesn't win.
As far as the Impala and Cadenza goes, no I wouldn't want either one but the judges are looking for breakthroughs I think and both of these cars are on the list for different reasons. One because it is somewhat of a resurrection of a very famous name and seems to be hitting the target to make it desirable again. The other because of the luxury appointments from such a value brand. Not that that hasn't been done before but they seem to have checked a lot of boxes with the Cadenza if one is looking for that kind of car.
#18739 of 20199 Re: Camry vs. Accord ad [benjaminh]
Jul 24, 2013 (5:51 am)
It's doing about 29 mpg, only about 1100 miles on the clock though. First tank was 28, then 29.2, now reading 29.6 (trip computer seems to be reasonably accurate, within 1 mpg compared to manual calculations). I'm using gastracker, you can look them up online and see others' real world mpg. Not a lot of manuals out there, but they do seem to be returning a bit less than the CVT. Maybe the CVT is that good, maybe the stick lovers just have more fun.
Turning radius has not been a problem. Easy to park, easy to U-turn. Our other car is a Suburban, so...
Power is fine. To me, it feels comparable to the Altima and Optima, stronger than the Mazda6. Blows the doors off my old Mazda3 2.0. Decidedly "average" below 3,000 rpm, which is where I've intentionally spent most of the first 1K. But I'm opening it up occasionally now. It revs quick, and sounds nice doing it. It's a manual, you're in charge. She will move when you want to. 80 feels like 50. Low end is fine for creeping in traffic in 2nd.
Gearing on the 6-speed has required some getting used to. I don't have the technical term for it, but 5th feels a little too close to 4th. It may just be my driving style. I'm coming out of a five speed and muscle memory has me letting the revs fall a bit farther going into 5th than what the Accord likes. I keep forgetting that there is a 6th gear.
#18740 of 20199 Re: Camry vs. Accord ad [ahightower]
Jul 24, 2013 (10:23 am)
The last stick I owned was a 4spd. On calm drives I can remember jumping from 2nd to 4th once in awhile. Do you find yourself jumping gears on purpose to cut down on the number of shifts? If so, which ones do you omit?
Jul 24, 2013 (10:59 am)
I can omit all but 6th and 1st. It is no problem to go 1-2-6 if you accelerate hard you are over 60 in 2nd so just slide into 6th. Downshifting you can go from 6-2 if you are entering a really tight turn and want some power coming out. Or if you just need a burst of power when starting you can go 1-3 or 1-4.
Lots of combinations and they don't have to be sequential - beauty of a manual.
Jul 24, 2013 (11:16 am)
Agreed. I skip 5th a lot (when I remember to) because I'm often up to 60-65 in 4th and ready to settle into the flow of traffic. (Or like you said, even skip all the way from 2 or 3 to 6 if I was really leaning on it.) Also skip a lot downshifting because I'll let it coast down to 30-35 mph in 6th and then jump all the way down to 3 when it's time to accelerate.
#18743 of 20199 AutoGuide: Fusion vs. Mazda6
Jul 26, 2013 (3:26 am)
"So exactly how fuel efficient are they? The Mazda6 is officially rated at 26 mpg in the city and 38 mpg on the highway. This bests the Ford Fusionís 23/36 mpg rating.
But thatís just on paper. In the real world, after a week of testing, the gap widened further. The Mazda6 returned an average of 30.4 mpg of mixed driving while the Fusion could only muster 25.0 mpg, which continues a recent trend of Ford test vehicles lately not living up to their fuel efficiency ratings....
On the road, vehicle dynamics tip slightly in favour of the Mazda6. It feels more tossable in the corners and agility is better than average. At the same time, despite weighing less than the Fusion, the 6ís ride feels more refined. The suspension is set up with a nice balance between sport and comfort. Not only is it one of the more engaging vehicles in the segment, but it features a ride comfort on par with the likes of the Honda Accord and Volkswagen Passat. In fact, only the squishy soft-riding Malibu can beat it in this department.
The Fusion was in tough during this comparison test. Not only is the Mazda6 cheaper to purchase, but also cheaper to fill up at the pumps. Add in a more attractive, easier to operate interior as well as a more rewarding driving experience, and the 6 is the clear winner of this comparison.
Thatís no knock on the Ford either as the Mazda may just be the new benchmark for mid-size sedans. Yes, the Mazda6 is just that good."
#18745 of 20199 Re: AutoGuide: Fusion vs. Mazda6 [benjaminh]
Jul 26, 2013 (10:33 am)
Honestly, the Ford's interior in the video was much more upscale and expensive looking, and a lot more airy looking.
However, I have briefly driven the Mazda, and know it is very well put together. It's just that in the video the Mazda looks more plain. What is the interior called? Quantum Singularity?
#18746 of 20199 Re: 2014 S-class "clown face" must see! [cski]
Jul 26, 2013 (11:10 am)