Last post on Dec 12, 2013 at 7:56 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18683 of 20241 Re: Accord vs. Altima Back-to-Back [benjaminh]
Jul 18, 2013 (6:17 am)
One of the biggest improvement in the new Accord is that for the first time it's a quiet car. You'll notice a big difference there.
My 2009 Sonata is still quieter than the 2013 Accord. Neither is objectionable to me though.
You're right that the Accord is more agile in handling than most midsize sedans. The new model has electric steering, which apparently saves on gas, but doesn't give quite as much of a feel for the road at higher speeds imho.
I'm more aware of the suspension tuning in the Accord vs. the Sonata; the Sonata feels a lot less disciplined than the Accord. Steering is quicker in the Honda, but both are relatively numb. It's the new standard these days.
Am I right in thinking that the 2013 Accord is on your shopping list now? If so, which model?
For what it's worth, I'm not a "first model-year buyer" simply because I'd rather have the better deal down the road. My vehicles have always been the first year of a mid-cycle refresh, not a full change (1996 Accord, 2006 Accord featuring a big exterior restyle, 2009 Sonata featuring a big interior restyle). The mechanicals have always been solid in these cars, and you have something that differentiates you from the prior years, but pricing isn't for an "all new car."
When I do look, it will likely be at a Sport or an EX-L 4-cyl (the leather-wrapped wheel is a must-have for me; yes that's a random requirement ). I'm not convinced I'll end up in an Accord, but it's on the short list.
I'll probably replace my Sonata in a year or so; I have 108k miles on it. With my entire immediate family living 300 miles away, I want to keep a car that is new enough I won't second guess my ability to leave town whenever I want.
#18684 of 20241 Re: Accord vs. Altima Back-to-Back [thegraduate]
Jul 18, 2013 (7:21 am)
Your thinking about when to buy a model makes some sense. I'm more random. My first Accord was an LX bought in the summer of 2002, which was the last few months of that design (got a great deal). My next Accord was the 2008, which we still have, which was the first year of the all-new design. But aside from some squeaky brake pads, which were replaced for free by Honda, I've not had any troubles with the car. Our 2013 is similarly the first year of the all-new design, and so far it's been almost perfect, with the exception of a small software glitch in switching between bluetooth and navi that sometimes shows up, and which I presume will have a fix soon.
Since the late 1990s, as you probably know, the Accord has been on a 5-year design cycle. For instance, there was an all-new Accord in 2003, and then the third year of the model cycle was the great 2006 that you got with the standard led tail lights (that was the best mid-cycle restyle of any Accord generation imho).
Anyway, by that counting the new Accord won't get a restyle and refresh until model year 2016, which will appear in the late summer of 2015. Can you wait that long? Maybe you can make your Sonata last, or maybe consider a 2014 Accord?
#18685 of 20241 Re: sales numbers coming back to the pack? [benjaminh]
Jul 18, 2013 (8:13 am)
And this will push down the re-sale value of these Camrys. Not that it matters much in most cases. As I have said before, you either pays upfront (with a higher transaction price), or you pays at re-sale (with a lower return), but either way, no one really comes out ahead.
#18686 of 20241 Re: - [puppybone69]
Jul 18, 2013 (8:17 am)
I've found the only way to get good MPG out of my Fusion is through cruise control unless I'm really, really conscious of how I'm pressing the accelerator. I can get 30mpg going between 70-74 mph going through the northern plain states (mild hills). If I drop to 65mph I can easily get 33+. Combined is around 28mpg although I do much more highway than city driving. I likes my gas pedal too much in city driving lol.
#18688 of 20241 Re: Fusion hybrid getting software fix to improve real-world fuel economy [backy]
Jul 18, 2013 (10:26 am)
Note that this won't change the EPA ratings but it will help drivers get better mileage in the real world.
It sounds like they had more time to test the new system and decided that they could safely raise the parameters.
Going to 85 mph on electric power is a shocker. I assumed they were maxed out at 62 mph due to technical limitations.
The good news is it's available to 2013 owners too.
#18689 of 20241 Re: Fusion hybrid getting software fix to improve real-world fuel economy [akirby]
Jul 18, 2013 (12:49 pm)
85 mpg in EV mode won't help really since it just will drain battery completely quickly. The other improvements though should make some difference.
To me real world mpg is fine of Fusion hybrid but the 13 gallon tank is very small to get decent range especially since no one really gets 47 mpg combined under normal driving conditions.
The upcoming Honda Accord hybrid has about 15.9 gallon tank and I'm guessing real world mpg will be higher. Although seats don't fold so each have pro/cons.
#18690 of 20241 Re: Fusion hybrid getting software fix to improve real-world fuel economy [akirby]
Jul 18, 2013 (2:41 pm)
It almost seems like the car could have been tested in the 'new' configuration. Then it was changed to be more conservative, but never retested, just because the change is done as a software reconfiguration.
#18691 of 20241 Re: Fusion hybrid getting software fix to improve real-world fuel economy [explorerx4]
Jul 18, 2013 (6:54 pm)
That would be illegal. Ford knows better.
85 mph will help those who do shorter high speed runs with braking in between.
#18692 of 20241 New tires! Bridgestone Turanza Serenity +
Jul 19, 2013 (10:30 am)
I finally jettisoned my OEM tires, and I am glad I did. The new Bridgestone's have totally changed the ride, which was hard as a rock... and loud in comparison. The ride and noise levels were my main gripe about the stock Nexen tires, so when I saw that the Turanza's were also a low rolling resistance design as well, that sealed the deal. They also were highly rated for wet traction too. I don't know how they got all these great features out of one tire, and the jury is still out on wet traction, since it is 100 degrees here and refuses to rain.
I am obviously a little OCD about my Optima, so as you folks can imagine it took a couple of weeks of agonizing research to finally take the plunge and get this done. I am going on vacation in August (including a 1000 mile round trip), and since Kia did not provide me with a spare, there was no way I was doing it with 3 tire plugs and marginal tread life after 20k of pounding DC traffic.
I found the new Bridgestones at NTB, and they gave me 20% off for applying for their credit card, 6 months same as cash, and I got a $60 Visa debit card from Bridgestone. Pretty happy.
NTB/Merchants all-inclusive price was $120 per tire INSTALLED, after the 20% discount, which was great because just the tires are $143 each on the tire rack. I did pay tax and a $6 disposal fee.
Basically it was $530 total.
The Turanza's have very positive reviews everywhere I looked, and so far it seems to be accurate.