Last post on Dec 08, 2013 at 7:45 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18606 of 20223 Re: Accord vs. Altima Back-to-Back [andres3]
Jul 09, 2013 (6:06 pm)
EX is not the top of the line for the Accord. It goes: LX, Sport, EX, EXL, EXL Navi, EXL Navi V-6, Touring V-6.
So the EX is the mid-level model. I don't think the EX has ever had a leather wrapped steering wheel, and so you can't blame the bean counters for that one. L stands, of course, for Leather, and that's where you get the leather steering wheel. The new model this year, the Sport, surprisingly has it too.
In any case, a good aftermarket leather steering wheel cover can always be added. Check Pep Boys. Top rated leather for steering wheel c. $25. No biggie.
Honda added thousands of dollars of equipment to the 2013 Accord compared to the 2012, but only raised the price by something like $150. In other words, for the most part the bean counters lost.
For instance, compared to the base 2012 Accord LX the 2013 Accord LX adds: alloy wheels, direct injected engine, more advanced transmission, Advanced Compatibility II body with super high grade steel (the only best selling car to ace the IIHS crash test), bluetooth, pandora/integration w/smart phone, back up camera, higher mpg, bigger trunk, much quieter/more sound insulation, etc.
In my opinion, the only thing we lost that's of any importance is the ski pass through in the back seat. The bean counters got that one, but I can easily live without it in trade for all the other stuff.
#18607 of 20223 Re: midsize sales for June [andres3]
Jul 09, 2013 (6:31 pm)
So get the turbo if 198 hp isn't enough for you. Sheesh. Five years ago, how many base trim mid-sized family sedans had at least 198 hp?
It's amazing to me how much power some people think they need in a family sedan. As if they spend all their time drag racing.
Jul 10, 2013 (6:08 am)
Aftermarket leather looks a little cheesy on steering wheels. You can buy an entire new leather wheel for $136 from several places online. I may go that route.
While I have noticed that my brakes wobble a tad under some conditions now that I have 164k miles on my 2007 Accord, I still am on my original front pads. Can't complain too much about that. I expect my '13 will do just as well.
Agree on power. My I4's are much faster than I ever need (stick shift helps a lot). Can't imagine a v-6.
#18609 of 20223 Re: midsize sales for June [backy]
Jul 10, 2013 (7:49 am)
Well the Fusion 2.0 turbo certainly doesn't need anymore power! I wasn't sure that its 240hp would be enough for me, but honestly, unless you are planning to use your family sedan for drag racing, or towing a trailer, you don't really need as much power as you think you do. Anywhere in the neighborhood of 200hp is more than enough to move fast. If you think you need more power than that in a midsize sedan, the only current model for you is the Chevy SS, otherwise you should be looking at fullsize sedans!
#18610 of 20223 Re: midsize sales for June [puppybone69]
Jul 10, 2013 (8:18 am)
Well the Fusion 2.0 turbo certainly doesn't need anymore power! I wasn't sure that its 240hp would be enough for me, but honestly, unless you are planning to use your family sedan for drag racing, or towing a trailer, you don't really need as much power as you think you do.
That's because it has 270 ft-lbs of torque at low to midrange rpm. It actually has more torque than the 3.5 v6 used in the Taurus. If it had 240hp, with say only 200 ft-lbs of torque at over 4k rpm, it wouldn't feel nearly as powerful.
#18611 of 20223 Re: midsize sales for June [dieselone]
Jul 10, 2013 (5:23 pm)
Well it's certainly got power to spare. Even at 100mph it's nowhere near its limits, except for the speed limiter kicking in at 120mph, otherwise it would easily top out at 160mph. Just a tap on the gas at 60mph boosts it up to 80mph so fast I'm almost afraid to floor it. Anything with a V8 in it will leave it in the dust, but not without a fight, so I don't have any problems getting it up to highway speeds onto crowded freeways with short entry ramps. If torque is more responsible for all that than hp is, then I'd definitely pay more attention to torque ratings when shopping for a new car. I'm very pleased with the performance of my car, the difference between it and the Ford Probe GT that I used to drive is truly amazing!
#18613 of 20223 Re: midsize sales for June [puppybone69]
Jul 10, 2013 (5:40 pm)
It depends at what rpm's the torque is made. Engine management software allows small engines to make lots of torque at lower rpm's.
My Fusion has the 2.0 and I don't think I've had the engine much over 4k rpm's yet, but I haven't felt the need to do it.
#18614 of 20223 Re: hwy mpg Fusion hybrid vs Accord cvt [benjaminh]
Jul 10, 2013 (5:42 pm)
Other studies have been published on this point over the years, but I'll bet a lot of drivers will take the extra hour (for a 200 mile trip) and pay the extra $5 to $7. Imagine for example a business person driving to a customer meeting. That extra hour with the customer, or working on other business, would probably be worth far more than $5-7 to them.
Anyway, most major highways and freeways outside city limits in my state (MN) are posted at 65-70 mph. Certainly will use less gas driving the limit than, say, 75+, but 55 wouldn't be advisable. And if the limit is 55, driving 75 would be begging for a ticket, as well as unsafe if most traffic is near 55.
#18615 of 20223 Re: hwy mpg Fusion hybrid vs Accord cvt [benjaminh]
Jul 10, 2013 (5:42 pm)
Hybrids have an advantage in stop and go driving. Have results of that?