Last post on Dec 12, 2013 at 7:56 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18533 of 20241 Re: midsize sales for June [wayne21]
Jul 04, 2013 (8:08 am)
There's a lot of people that had really bad transmission problems with Hondas that will never buy them again as well. So they are probably missing out on some fine automobiles. Same can be said for people that shun other car makes because of some problem from 10 or 20 years ago. Just about all the carmakers have made great strides in quality. Look at Hyundai/Kia. They literally used to be the laughing stock of cars up until about 10 yrs ago and they really just started to be taken seriously about 5 years ago by most mainstream shoppers. People like to bash Toyotas because they're bland and transportation only, probably most of the bashers haven't even owned one. I'm not looking to buy a Camry but I can certainly understand the appeal to many people. There are certain things about a Camry that people like that can't be found in the Accord like a silky, soft and quiet ride and very smooth drivetrain. Lots of people consider those things very important. Being able to carve a corner.......eh, not so important to them.
I remember back in 1995 when I was looking for a 4dr sedan and drove the Accord. Whoa, the tranny felt like it had rubber bands in it and it wasn't even a CVT! I ended up with a Maxima which was a great car. Now I have an Acura. If I had let that experience of driving the Accord sour me I might not have even own a Honda product now. Things change and people buy cars for different reasons.
#18534 of 20241 Re: midsize sales for June [m6user]
Jul 04, 2013 (8:17 am)
I would totally disagree with C&D's review. There is no way I would consider cheap, hard shiny plastic "upscale". In fact, I would say that of all the cars I looked at, only the Altima had a cheaper interior than the mazda6.
I think that sometimes these reviewers go along with what was said by someone else or they change a few words in previous reviews so they don't "stand out". Classic example: for years now, reviewers have been referring to the camry xle as "luxurious". REALLY? Perhaps they should have gotten in one before they printed their review.
#18535 of 20241 Re: midsize sales for June [wayne21]
Jul 04, 2013 (8:32 am)
And that is your opinion. I'm just saying that most reviewers and most other people, including me, that I have seen posting do not agree with you. Sometimes an overall look will turn someone off and gives them a certain impression. Maybe that happened with you, maybe not. Beauty of design is in the eye of the beholder but quality materials usually are easier to define.
I agree that a lot of auto writers say similar things but then again many of them try to find that one thing that other's missed to make their review stand out. If the Mazda6 was truly that cheap looking(which it isn't IMO) I think it would have been duly noted by a number of them.
#18536 of 20241 Re: midsize sales for June [m6user]
Jul 04, 2013 (8:53 am)
I'll stick with my assessment. I think the market works pretty well. The mazda6 is a very attractive car and if the inside matched the outside (with elevated seats) I may just own one.
#18537 of 20241 Re: Mazda6 sales [backy]
Jul 04, 2013 (9:00 am)
Yes, I should have qualified that statement. However, I do believe both Chrysler products are improved enough to be acceptable to most typical Camry drivers! Anyway, the new 200 is almost here, and it will be good. I think Chrysler may kill off the Avenger.
As for folks who write off a brand forever, based on experience years ago, that is your prerogative. However, that limits your buying choices. Most of these companies are completely different companies than they were 20 years ago. Look at the quality and reliability data.
Some nameplates within high-scoring brands are not so good, and some within lower scoring brands are great. I bought a VW TDI years ago when VW reliability generally stank. But TDIs were well-rated and fairly bullet-proof. (I still miss that VW from time to time, although I love my Volvo.) And even Toyota is having ongoing struggles with recalls.
Regardless, there are so many good choices now that I suppose you can write off brands and still get pretty much what you want.
#18538 of 20241 Re: midsize sales for June [m6user]
Jul 04, 2013 (9:03 am)
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#18539 of 20241 Re: Mazda6 sales [gregg_vw]
Jul 04, 2013 (9:14 am)
I do believe both Chrysler products are improved enough to be acceptable to most typical Camry drivers
I really want to like Chrysler as I think some of their designs are really great and I love most of their interiors. But I think the thing that many people fear, and that would definitely include Camry buyers, is how much time you would have to spend at the dealership for warranty fixes, recalls, etc. And then there is the resale value. Toyota is still light years ahead of Chrysler in resale value. Now if you can get $7+k off sticker on an Avenger and really like the car then one should consider it.
#18540 of 20241 Re: midsize sales for June [wayne21]
Jul 04, 2013 (9:15 am)
Your are certainly entitled to your opinion but if you are implying that the market has validated your opinion, you are way off base. Come on, how many Camry and Accord buyers have even looked at the interior of a Mazda6?
#18541 of 20241 Re: midsize sales for June [huskerfan5]
Jul 04, 2013 (9:20 am)
Not really, maybe just a good memory. I'm very interested in the new Mazda6 and certainly would have recalled a really negative review by Car & Driver re. it's interior.
Actually since they've increased the size of the newly announced Mazda3 to close to the dimensions(width, interior, wheelbase) of the 1st gen Mazda6 and the snazzy interior shots I've seen, I just may be looking even more closely at that! I'm thinking it may get 41-43mpg hwy with the full skyactiv treatment now.
#18542 of 20241 Re: midsize sales for June [benjaminh]
Jul 04, 2013 (11:33 am)
My neighbors bought a used 2008 Camry XLE V6 2 days ago. The "wood" interior had me questioning what U.S. buyers think luxury is. What I saw was lots of cheap plastic and amazingly the fit and finish was really bad. Maybe we have come a long way in 5 years, and that is probably part of it.
The point is; to this American it is not a $69 wood kit from Pep Boys and silver -plastic buttons from a Soundesign boom-box. Yuk.