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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Jun 30, 2013 (6:22 pm)
Brand Loyalty is very interesting when it comes to cars. If there's nothing out there that WOWs me when the lease is up on my 328xi next September, I'm most likely going to buy something that's reasonably priced and that's built well enough for me to drive for the next 10 years & 150 - 200K or so miles.
Besides my BMW, I've got a 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH (bought new in April 2002) with 149K+ on the clock and my wife's 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation (bought new in May 2011) with over 37K on the odometer. If I end up shopping in the Mid Sized Sedans category, I might take a look at the Mazda 6, but would most likely end up with an Accord Sport. Although I do with Honda would offer a sunroof & lane watch with the Sport. I just know what makes Hondas "tick" and how they are supposed to drive. The dealer where I service the Pilot (Honda of Westport, CT) couldn't be better. I don't want to write anything else off before a test drive, but this does seem inevitable.
#18486 of 20239 Re: Brand Loyalty [nyccarguy]
Jun 30, 2013 (6:30 pm)
I don't really have any. I just buy what I like that fits the needs at the time. Of course, reputation is a factor to consider, as is prior experience. but no way am I just going to buy a certain brand, just because that is what I always get.
I have 2 Acuras at the moment (down from 3 as of a week ago!), but when we were looking to replace the Odyssey last year, I was never expecting to get another Honda product. Just ended up being what the wife wanted (and good thing she still loves it, and goes out of her way to mention it quite often, because my wallet still hurts...). the other one is my son's TL that was a family "inheritance" .
when he finally gets a job and can get a new car, it could be another Acura (no chance a Honda). But, quite possibly not. And the Integra was just a used car I happened to stumble upon (not at all planned)
#18487 of 20239 Re: Brand Loyalty [nyccarguy]
Jul 01, 2013 (2:50 am)
My brand loyalty is to that group of makes that consistently have good records for reliability, fuel economy, and enjoyment -- Nissan, Honda, Mazda -- rather than just one. I've owned two of each of those makes and had good experiences with them so I generally look at those makes when its time to replace a vehicle. We usually have one car that we love to drive from that group and one that's an around-town errand and dog-car -- totally basic and practical (that usually tends to be a Toyota; right now its a Pontiac Vibe).
#18488 of 20239 Re: Brand Loyalty [stickguy]
Jul 01, 2013 (4:16 am)
I'm obviously not going to "blindly buy" just because its a Honda. I've got to like whatever I buy. All other factors being equal, I'd most likely choose a Honda if nothing WOWs me.
This is a very competitive segment for sure & there is no clear "winner." I'll do more narrowing down at the NY Auto Show next year, then put a more definitive short list together.
I'm actually parked next to a relatively basic fusion (small wheels, no sunroof) & peeked inside to check out the interior. Looks very well designed & laid out.
#18489 of 20239 Re: Brand Loyalty [suydam]
Jul 01, 2013 (4:26 am)
That's o good way of thinking as well. I'll always have my Prelude (fun car, love to drive it). I also LOVE my BMW, but after 1 yr & 3 months (of a 2 1/2 year lease) and over 25,000 miles, I have come to the realization that I don't need The Ultimate Driving Machine for my 6 day/week, 65 mile round trip commute.
#18490 of 20239 Re: My New 2014 Mazda6 [ivan_99]
Jul 01, 2013 (8:41 am)
I know why you posted what you did. I too think it (blind brand loyalty) does exist out there. I admit, the blind part of my comment though was mine, not yours.
What I find a bit discouraging so far, in the relatively few posts that have replied on the topic, that no one (until now), has mentioned exercising any form of boycott of the brand that has cost them the most grief in the past. My guess is that all of us have probably had difficulty at some point in time or another even with our favourite brand...but that surely over the years a brand or two/three etc stands out as being the one that left such a negative long-lasting memory that the only way the little guy can fight back and try to keep some of these brands (some, who seem to exhibit almost a type of effrontery towards their brand) in check, is to take the boycott to a new and sustained level. One with conviction. I did this with Ford since my 3 short year experience with an 88 F150 whose (among other issues) paint fell off very prematurely. Ford did not do the fair and non-rocket-science right thing and basically called my bluff. I had spent so much money with them over the years (one purchase was a $90+k heavy truck in 84) that when confronted with a scenario of gross unfairness (and utter stupidity on their part), pure principle entered the equation.
The reason I said I was discouraged at the beginning of this post, is that if people don't stand up to what is right and wrong, then the manufacturers discover they can get away with unfair business practice and only end up correcting wrongs when forced or pressed against the wall to do so, either legally or after much exasperation of the consumer.
Some random examples:
- Honda's (Acura) auto trans in Odyssey etc
- Honda's ill-designed (for longevity) A/C in CRVs
- Ford's leaky head gaskets on all 3.8 litre V6
- Ford's auto tran in many models...Taurus, Aerostar, etc etc
- Ford's faulty paint
- GM's faulty paint
- GM's leaky plastic intake manifolds
- Subaru's leaky head gaskets..altho to be fair..I think Sube stepped up 3x quicker/easier than many other brands would have
- Subaru's weak A/C and sound systems
- Mazda's rust on early to mid Proteges
- Nissan's brittle exhaust manifolds on V6s..altho again...like Sube, did step up quicker than some
- Hyundai/Kia auto tran in Santa Fe/Sorrento
- Toyota's sludge issues V6 and others
- Chrysler's sludge issues on 2.7 V6
- Chrysler's infamous 318 V8 oil burners
- Chrysler's infamous 4 sp auto tran issues
etc etc etc
Jul 01, 2013 (8:49 am)
First hwy trip in new 2013 Accord with CVT. Got 38 mpg hwy going 60-70 mph with AC on the whole way. Very pleased to have gotten even higher than the rated epa 36 mpg hwy.
Jul 02, 2013 (5:32 am)
Posting here... posted once in Accord forum, sharing again for wider audience.
Just bragging about my new Sport 6MT sedan. Bought it this weekend, and it's my first Honda. So far, LOVE it.
The other top contender was the new Mazda6. Mazda offers a manual in touring trim with some nice options. It's dead sexy. But it doesn't offer quite the same amount of right knee space (I'm 6'3" and sick of leaning my right knee against the center console all the time). My prior car, a 2008 Mazda3, has been pretty reliable (but for the weaksauce AC), and many reviews online placed the Mz6 ahead of the Accord in comparison tests. It also has better fuel economy by a few mpg highway. But the Accord accelerates quicker and sounds better doing it. And the Accord just feels a little better put together and of richer materials inside, if less exciting to look at. The sport's cloth seems very durable, while the Mazda's faux leather was a bit questionable. The texture of the metal and rubber on the stereo knobs and AC vents feels so premium, and the panel gaps are very tight. Little things that add up to a quality feeling, which I have been ignoring for the last six years in my Mazda3 (which I did compare to a Civic at the time). And again, Honda resale value and reliability vs Mazda who despite making some fun cars is struggling financially and sells in much lower numbers. So, I'm a Honda guy at last.
I was pleased to get a very good deal near invoice pricing, despite the relative rarity of the manual transmission models. Went with new because of cheap financing and frankly the used Accords with under 40K miles on them were dang near as expensive as new ones... Also, impressed with all the content for only a little more money than a base LX. The 18"s and little spoiler (which you cannot see in your own rearview mirror) really dress it up, and the leather wheel and shift knob feel great. They say the sport has a firmer suspension than other trims. I didn't drive any others, but this feels just right for a daily commute. Planted but not harsh in the least. Quiet, which surprised me because I always heard that Hondas had a lot of wind and road noise. The phone integration and customizable features are very slick, and I love the rearview camera as this is a much bigger car than I'm used to parking. Back seat is cavernous, my three kids fit just fine (now that we've grown out of those enormous booster seats), so we can take the car on some longer trips instead of taking the Suburban all the time. As long as we don't need a lot of luggage, we'll save a lot of gas, and keep some miles off the old truck.
It had to be a manual, but I decided to give Kia Optima a fair shake based on the value play. Could have had a loaded EX for about the same money. But decided the Accord's sweet engine and gearbox, ride/handling, build quality, and future resale value was worth trading for leather and sunroof. (Who wants to be driving a used Kia in 8 years?) Also test drove the Altima (CVT only, but surprisingly responsive), and it was very comfortable, but looks a little awkward to me. Didn't bother driving the Fusion or Camry because I sat in everything at the auto show and there were only four with acceptable leg room. The Accord is by far the most refined car I've ever owned, and I simply cannot see the need for a "luxury" brand car these days given how nice and fully-featured this thing is.
So, while I enjoyed the Mazda culture and was looking forward to having a new 6 and being different and better looking than everyone else, Honda really impressed me. The more time I spend staring at it, the more I appreciate the design.
#18493 of 20239 Re: new Accord sport [ahightower]
Jul 02, 2013 (7:23 am)
Congrats on your new Accord Sport 6MT! It sounds like you love it & you'll still love it years from now when it still drives like new.
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