Last post on Dec 03, 2013 at 4:29 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18372 of 20187 Re: Lemmings [tundradweller1]
Jun 12, 2013 (4:22 pm)
I'm planning on buying a Camry se this fall. And I've done my research for the last three months. It does seem that Toyota has a better reliability history than Honda, Mazda, Hyundai, and Kia. You don't know how much I wish Toyota would step up the Camry design, they must have their head up their *blank* but After test driving the 2013 Optima the headrests in the seats Would not even allow me to sit up straight. The 2013 Accord, Known for having transmission issues, is already having problems with their CVT. Most reviews say the 2013 sonata does not have too many issues but the 100 little things that never really brake but wish they would just so the dealer would fix them. The 2013 Altima has a sucky CVT and is a first-year car with issues that need to be worked out. The 2013 Mazda 6 No one is buying even though it is the sexiest car. With so many First year models for 2013 you only have a few options for a midsize car if you're seeking top reliability. The 2013 Camry has a comfortable nice interior, great sound system, good handling, top reliability, The camry se can be had for about 22 grand. If you're trying to keep your car for the next 10 years its a very safe bet. If your leasing your car feel free to get in any car you want because All of these cars last at least three years. When the pros review cars they're reviewing how they are performing that very moment, not five years down the line when your car is falling apart.
#18373 of 20187 Re: Passat, Accord [savetheland]
Jun 12, 2013 (4:29 pm)
I don't understand CR any more. How can they predict first year cars reliabilty. The Accord has had major transmission issues in the past yet they best every other car as top pick because they are hoping their new power train will be better??
#18374 of 20187 Re: Lemmings [mani_o]
Jun 12, 2013 (7:09 pm)
Since when does a Camry have a nice interior and good handling?
#18375 of 20187 Re: Lemmings [mani_o]
Jun 13, 2013 (3:50 am)
Quote "Most reviews say the 2013 sonata does not have too many issues but the 100 little things that never really brake but wish they would just so the dealer would fix them".
As I have said before, mid size sedan manufacturers try to design for the buyer who wants it to be the jack of all trades. Difficult market.
#18376 of 20187 Re: accord disappointment [akirby]
Jun 13, 2013 (3:46 am)
No doubt. I listen to only two. My mother likes the Elvis channel. Uggghh (shuddering).
Boneyard and Hair Nation are my faves.
#18377 of 20187 Re: accord disappointment [ral2167]
Jun 13, 2013 (6:08 am)
We have a 2012 Sienna and you can preset AM, FM and XM one after the other--that is a nice radio feature.
#18378 of 20187 Re: Lemmings [akirby]
Jun 13, 2013 (6:48 am)
Interiors weren't bad in the 90s. They had high quality seas of plastic and vinyl . Nowadays, it's a bit more playskool as designed by committee looking.
Now.. handling? What handling?
#18379 of 20187 Re: top 6 in midsize sales for May [cski]
Jun 13, 2013 (9:21 am)
Sucks about the blowout..and having to order. Hope the rim is ok..
Interesting about the tow truck driver's comment about hybrids. Sounds like he meant all hybrids (including the apparently very reliable Prius) or do you think he was referring to the Optima Hybrid?
#18380 of 20187 Re: accord disappointment [explorerx4]
Jun 13, 2013 (10:08 am)
This question will reveal how little I know about satellite radio. Two questions actually, although the second one is tough cuz it's one of those ones where it is open to interpretation of just how good is good..
When you use XM or whatever, and you want to listen to..let's say Johnny Winter: Serious Business. Or dial up Wayne Hancock: Tulsa..do you have a menu where you choose alphabetically, or punch it in letter by letter, or are you restricted to, like a radio stn that features songs that they decide falls into that type of music category? If it is the latter (which I think it is and is why I have never gotten excited about radio you pay to listen to without getting a choice in what you listen to) then the odds of you finding a stn that actually plays Johnny Winter, or even knows who Wayne Hancock is, will be very poor indeed. Out of curiosity have any of you who have sat radio, EVER heard either one of those artists on the radio? Johnny Winter is blues rock like Jimi Hendrix and Kenny Wayne Shepherd. Wayne Hancock is a lot like Hank Williams Sr with a mix of Hank III (Shelton Williams, Hank Sr's grandson) thrown in.
Second question is about sound quality distortion at loud sound levels. I once listened to a friends GPS that he dubbed into the sound system in my 03 Matrix. I forget how it was done, but was a portable setup. So the GPS had what I guess was an MP3 memory, and believe me, there was SERIOUS sound quality loss once it made it to the cars speakers. Is sat radio like that, or is it EXACTLY as clear and capable of the same song as if you had inserted a CD? Question open to cski especially, cuz I think he loves his music, although not sure how loud he plays it, and everyone of course..
BTW, same question if you plug an iPod or some other USB device in. Are some combinations more distortion free than others, or are they all universally so good there is no perceptible difference than if you had put a CD in..and again, I'm talking at loud volumes which should reveal any weakness the best.. Even if clear, is the db (sound volume) drop if on sat radio or iPod, requiring you to raise the volume control more than if you had a CD in?
#18381 of 20187 Re: Lemmings [mani_o]
Jun 13, 2013 (10:38 am)
Camry failed the small offset crash test, which is a common type of crash. It was the only midize car to fail, aside from the Prius and a Lexus. Pattern? Check out the IIHS video posted in youtube or a few pages above.
Also, Camry is in my opinion the worst looking car in the entire midsize segment.
Handling is also about at the bottom according to most car magazines.
Bang for the buck? Yes. To somewhat misquote Princess Leia: "If bang for the buck is what you care about, that's what you shall receive."
There's really no bad choice to be made at this point when it comes to midsize, but Camry would be about last on my personal list.
Everyone gets to make their own choice and have their own favorites. It's a free country!+++