Last post on Dec 10, 2013 at 5:02 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18332 of 20239 2013 Altima 2.5SV
Jun 07, 2013 (11:26 am)
I bought a new Altima 2 weeks ago. I thought I was going to buy a new Accord LX; but, the dealer didn't want to deal. Not only did they "offer" me full sticker, they wanted me to pay the dealer fee twice. I really liked the Accord, though. I'm sure Honda will do well with it.
My final shopping was the Fusion SE, Camry SE and the Altima SV. In the end, I didn't like the Fusion enough--the Focus-like back end was the real deal breaker for me. The Camry wasn't bad. We have a 2012 Sienna and I like the service department at my dealer. At the end of the day, though, I wasn't excited about buying a Camry, so I moved on.
I went to the Nissan dealer with the intention of looking at an Altima 2.5S. The dealer was offering a Memorial Day deal of about $18k for the 2.5S. I really wanted the automatic climate control, alloy wheels and back up camera that the Accord LX has, though. I had to move over to the Altima 2.5SV. The SV has the features of the Accord--plus, it has satellite radio and Intelligent Key with remote start. The fit and finish of the new Altima is similar to the Maxima and the feel on the road is very solid. So far I am very happy with my purchase. I see why there are many new Altimas on the road.
Jun 07, 2013 (11:34 am)
Hard to believe a Honda dealer won't go below sticker. I got more than $2,000 off on a rare (back in January - because of late availability) Manual EX model. I think you can get closer to $3k off now on an automatic, probably more on the top models.
#18334 of 20239 Re: Mazda 6 - no heated steering wheel? [benjaminh]
Jun 07, 2013 (12:37 pm)
WOW man! I am so glad I don't own either one, and not just for safety reasons.
My car passed, and here is the video if anyone out there is considering a 2012 Optima.
Oh, and congrats on the new Altima, and thanks for clearing up the Batman DC comics Optima!
Have a good weekend all!
#18335 of 20239 lots of rain lately...
Jun 07, 2013 (12:52 pm)
On the way home from work, I ended up first car in line at a few stop lights.
Since I've never had a FWD car with traction control, I decided to see how my 2013 Fusion works.
Gave it enough of a goose to spin the tires in other vehicles I've owned, but after what seemed like a few inches of tire rotation, it just walked away from the rest of the cars.
No spin, no torque steer, no drama. Nice.
#18336 of 20239 Re: lots of rain lately... [explorerx4]
Jun 07, 2013 (2:26 pm)
Don't they all have that now?
#18337 of 20239 Re: lots of rain lately... [gregg_vw]
Jun 07, 2013 (3:06 pm)
I'm sure everything has it now. I've just haven't had FWD with traction control before.
#18338 of 20239 Re: lots of rain lately... [explorerx4]
Jun 08, 2013 (4:08 am)
Lots of rain here too. Traction control is mostly an ABS heavy system that also cancels throttle inputs by electronically shutting off the fuel at the injectors. When it engages a yellow icon of wavy lines flashes on the IP. It can make your car lurch and jerk a bit.
When mine activates is mostly off the line while making a right on red in wet conditions. Or, it will activate when there is tarmac damage/potholes that cause the wheel to momentarily break contact with the surface during heavy throttle conditions . Mine can be shut off, which is fun off the line sometimes like you said.
#18339 of 20239 Re: lots of rain lately... [cski]
Jun 08, 2013 (4:32 am)
My only complaint with my 2012 Mazda CX-9 GT is the overly aggressive Traction Control! My CX-9 is FWD and it is VERY easy to spin the front tires, especially on wet surfaces. The 273hp 3.7L V6, gearing of the 6-speed automatic and All Season 'Performance' tires make it very easy to cause the front tires to lose traction.
When this happens, I instinctively take my foot off of the gas pedal. The Traction Control system also kicks in and cuts the throttle. If you're pulling onto a highway and this happen, you become a 'sitting duck' for a few seconds until the Traction Control 'releases' the throttle. For those brief few seconds, if you press the gas pedal again, you will get very little power.
When I'm making a risky turn, such as turning left across a four-lane highway, I always turn it OFF. With it off, it will 'roast' the tires on dry pavement and even bark the tires during the 1-2 upshift! The massive, performance-oriented P245/50VR20 tires are also part of the problem. I plan to replace them with slightly less aggressive rubber. Other CX-9 owners have done so with good results.
If I had got the AWD model, this wouldn't be an issue. But it cost $2000 more, got 22mpg vs 24mpg on the highway and took over 0.5sec longer to hit 60mph. Also, AWD models are very hard to find here. Out of the 29 CX-9s my dealer had in stock, only 3 were AWD...
Jun 08, 2013 (6:22 am)
Like you, I got a good deal on a rare model—a deep red EXL navi. Got $2800 off list. A few people are doing even better than that.
The Accord is a "hot" car, and is flying off most dealer lots as almost fast as they can make them, but they are making a lot of them, and so most people should be able to score a deal if they shop around at different Honda dealers....
This site helped me. You put in the car you want, and then different dealers within a 100 mile radius or so compete for your deal. Great discounts are available on the new Accord:
If anyone lives near Nashville, this Honda dealer there is offering c. $2500-$3000 off all Accords in stock, with no negotiation needed:
#18341 of 20239 top 6 in midsize sales for May
Jun 08, 2013 (5:10 am)