Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 9:31 AM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18308 of 20196 Re: 2013 Ford Fusion Terrible wind noise with windows down [ethel6932]
Jun 04, 2013 (8:41 am)
I feel badly for you to have discovered this wuh-whumping sound in your new car. It is the type of thing that is easy to not discover during a (sometimes too short) test drive. As others have noted, it is a far too common anomaly among many vehicles in the last decade plus.
Among the many suggestions of trying different windows and measurements raised lowered and combos, try also different speeds in case you can find a sweet spot only a few mph away from your usual. Also try to put your HVAC system into the equation, by experimenting with the recirculate door closed or in fresh air mode. Probably you are finding this annoying sound with it in fresh air mode, but if you can get some relief with the recirculate door closed, it might help for awhile. The idea is that along with the windows and the flow-through rear vents that vent air outside of the car regardless of obvious openings, the HVAC system is instrumental in what controls and affects the interior air pressure once under way. The flow through vents I mentioned, you may not be aware of, but all cars have them since about the 80's. They are often in obscure locations that can vary from inside the rear door jams, to under the trunk floor in some cars (Altima for example).
Good luck...hope you can find a sweet spot with the suggestions which can allow you to drive with your window open a bit for fresh air but not torment the rest of your driving experience.
#18309 of 20196 Re: Mazda 6 - no heated steering wheel? [mani_o]
Jun 04, 2013 (8:56 am)
You have done your homework I see.
Car and Driver said this about the 2012 Camry SE: "Interior surfaces that are close to unacceptable. No steering feel, no braking feel". They said this about the exterior: "Your big chance to become invisible". The Camry placed 5th out of 6 competitors, and the 2012 Accord (the older model) beat it and came in 2nd. (May 2012 mid size sedan comparo)
They said very much better things about the Accord in this months issue. They said it drives great, they liked it inside and out, and the Accord has a lot more features. On the road I notice the new Accords. Very classy car. The Camry looks flimsy in comparison. All the lower panels/ground effects/rockers look very cheap. In particular the fake plasti-chrome around the fog lights looks dreadful.
Given the two choices I would say Accord. The ONLY reservation I have is the Accords CVT. I prefer a 6 speed automatic. You can get a 6 speed stick or a 6 speed automatic with the Accord V6. Just the fact that Honda doesn't offer the CVT with the V6 tells me something about the CVT's performance, and possibly that the CVT wont handle the V6 power reliably.
Good luck! Go drive a 2014 Mazda 6 Sport before you decide!
#18310 of 20196 Re: Mazda 6 - no heated steering wheel? [mani_o]
Jun 04, 2013 (9:11 am)
We drove both along with Altima and bought the Accord. Neither of us liked driving the Camry. It felt like a big boat. Interior also pretty plain. We crossed it off very quickly. That said, we are probably a minority because tons of people buy them and love them.
We love the Accord CVT. much smoother than Altima's. it feels no different than a regular automatic, but is quieter and works with the 4 cyl to give way more power than I remember 4 cyls of the past. Love the stereo and audio interface is wonderful. I have taken two long trips with it and the seats are very comfortable and steering and suspension are terrific. I feel a better sense of the road than with the Camry. Love the backup and right turn cameras.
It really comes down to the driving style and features that matter to you.
#18312 of 20196 Re: Mazda 6 - no heated steering wheel? [scwmcan]
Jun 04, 2013 (10:52 am)
I just saw an article on the internet about a New Brunswick lady who bought a Smart for 2 (2005) used for $5000. 30 days later it died, and due to the design of the car, the engine could not be repaired, but only replaced....for $14,000!
Not so Smart it if you have a problem it seems. I hope their newer designs, and the one that you own, fares better. Also, I found it funny that a ladies car trouble was in the news!!! I guess for folks that live ABOVE Maine, it's too cold for thieves and murderers! (jeez, I wanna kill this guy, but first I have to shovel 4 feet of snow, after which I am too tired and I've come to my senses)!
#18313 of 20196 Re: Mazda 6 - no heated steering wheel? [cski]
Jun 04, 2013 (11:09 am)
I've only owned 3 Hondas...all 4 cyl, and only the current one is an automatic, but I've always heard that Honda's with a V6 "eat" trannies.
There have been well publicized problems initially with the Odyssey and TL, and anecdotal evidence with other vehicles. I'm not certain if these instances were caused by abuse/towing etc.
I'm not certain if the newer trannies have issues, but I'd stay away from a V6 with a CVT even if it was an option.
Of course, I could be wrong
#18314 of 20196 Re: Mazda 6 - no heated steering wheel? [cski]
Jun 04, 2013 (11:12 am)
wow...expensive engine You could buy a "newer" corvette engine for half that (not sure it would fit )
seems odd that you could take it out to replace it but not take it out to repair it...
Odd little things...
#18315 of 20196 Re: Mazda 6 - no heated steering wheel? [ivan_99]
Jun 04, 2013 (1:50 pm)
I might as well print the recall. There were over a MILLION potential transmissions with a second gear failure caused by overheating and the gear teeth chipping or broken. Big time, well known recall on Accord, TL, Odyssey, and almost every vehicle with the 3.5 liter V6, 5 speed auto powertrain combo.
Here it is! Recall Date:
APR 15, 2004
2004 Honda Accord (it says Honda Accord but that is because I used it as search parameter. If you search for a 2004 TL, the same recall is displayed).
ON SOME MINI VANS, SPORT UTILITY AND PASSENGER VEHICLES, CERTAIN OPERATING CONDITIONS CAN RESULT IN HEAT BUILD-UP BETWEEN THE COUNTERSHAFT AND SECONDARY SHAFT SECOND GEARS IN THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION, EVENTUALLY LEADING TO GEAR TOOTH CHIPPING OR GEAR BREAKAGE.
GEAR FAILURE COULD RESULT IN TRANSMISSION LOCKUP, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
ON VEHICLES WITH 15,000 MILES OR LESS, THE DEALER WILL UPDATE THE TRANSMISSION WITH A SIMPLE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE TO INCREASE LUBRICATION TO THE SECOND GEAR. ON VEHICLES WITH MORE THAN 15,000 MILES, THE DEALER WILL INSPECT THE TRANSMISSION TO IDENTIFY GEARS THAT HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED DISCOLORATION DUE TO OVERHEATING. IF DISCOLORATION EXISTS, THE TRANSMISSION WILL BE REPLACED IF DISCOLORATION IS NOT PRESENT, THE DEALER WILL PERFORM THE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON APRIL 21, 2004, FOR PILOT, ODYSSEY, AND MDX OWNERS. OWNERS OF THE ACCORD VEHICLES WILL START RECEIVING LETTERS ON JUNE 28, 2004, AND ON JUNE 29, 2004, FOR OWNERS OF THE TL AND CL VEHICLES. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009 OR ACURA AT 1-800-382-2238.
Potential Units Affected:
HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2004/honda/accord/recalls/#ixzz2VHoa079R
It is important to know if this repair has been done BEFORE you consider buying a used one. If it doesn't shift right, don't buy it.
#18316 of 20196 Re: Mazda 6 - no heated steering wheel? [cski]
Jun 04, 2013 (2:18 pm)
It's very simple to find out if a recall has been issued and if a repair has been done. Just call a dealer and give the. The VIN number and they can tell you if that vehicle was affected (generally, not all of them are). We had that issue when buying a used Vibe and found out ours was not one of the affected cars. There is a very large recall going on now for certain GM models. This time our Vibe is one of them -- it's 9 years old, has 100,000 miles on it and has never shown any signs of a problem. Recalls don't always mean a car is a poor choice -- sometimes it means the manufacturer is being extra cautious because of a certain number of problems.
#18317 of 20196 Re: - [gimmestdtranny]
Jun 04, 2013 (2:22 pm)
Sorry the deal breaker comment was directed to the OP not you, the original message said that no heated steering wheel was a deal breaker.
Also if I was a little snippy last night sorry, but I for some reason felt I was being attacked, I am sure today that wasn't your intention.
I am also sure that for some people it is a more desired feature than others.