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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18300 of 20239 Re: 2013 Ford Fusion Terrible wind noise with windows down [ethel6932]
Jun 04, 2013 (7:08 am)
scwmcan is correct. This noise occurs in every modern car (2000+) I've driven. I just open one of the rear windows a bit and it corrects the annoying...pulsating sound.
The brake rotors at 400 miles sounds like a problem...and the vibrating as well.
I've warped rotors on a very hot day driving through a puddle (central TX summer), but I imagine at this time of year in NY you wouldn't have this problem.
I drove a Focus SE (auto and manual) and I thought it was a great car for the price. To me it just seems like a brake issue that Ford should happily repair under warranty.
Are there any other issues or things you don't like about the car? It seems extreme to want to get rid of it; I think you'd take a huge loss.
#18301 of 20239 My next car will be a 2013 Camry or Accord
Jun 04, 2013 (7:41 am)
#18302 of 20239 Re: 2013 Ford Fusion Terrible wind noise with windows down [ethel6932]
Jun 04, 2013 (7:52 am)
I have never heard of anyone having problems like this. Take it to dealer service, have the mechanic pull all four wheels and look at the brakes with him. Then have the mechanic take a ride with you so he can also experience your wind issues.
#18303 of 20239 Re: Mazda 6 - no heated steering wheel? [cski]
Jun 04, 2013 (8:02 am)
I'm buying a mid-sized sedan this fall and am playing it pretty safe- It's between Camry and Accord- but I'm still not sure which one I'll get.
Here's my list so far of why I should buy each of them, it might help anyone else looking between these two also.
Accord EX (Not standard with Camry): $23,600 TrueCar.com Price as of today
Turn signal indicator mirrors
Automatic temperature control
Telescoping steering wheel
Fully automatic headlights
IIHS Top Safety Pick Plus award
Eight-way power-adjustable driverís seat with power lumbar support
Passive keyless entry and push-button start
Camera mounted in passenger side-view mirror
Better gas millage
8in LCD display
Better horse power
Camry SE (Not standard on Accord): $20,800 TrueCar.com Price as of today
Reliable (Seems less issues with the Camry than Accord in general)
2 yr free maintenance
Quiet and Comfortable ride
not first year remodel
Leatherette with cloth inserts seats standard
Lower cost (buying and ownership)
No CVT or direct injection engine (could give me trouble down the road)
Most important to me:
1. Reliability- Camry
2. Int. look and feel.- Camry
3. Ext. Look- Accord
4. Stereo- Camry
5. How it drives- Accord
6. Cost- Camry
7. Gas mileage- Accord
8. Gadgets- Accord
9. Safety- Accord
10. Cost of ownership- Camry
It all comes down to what is the most important and what is a deal breaker I guess.
Anyone else with a list of things you like and don't like please share!
Jun 04, 2013 (8:05 am)
I never once said, or implied, it was a deal breaker. My point was only to have someone consider that sometimes others live where it is so cold, that unless they lived it, they might not otherwise be able to relate to the virtues of a heated steering wheel option.
Furthermore, there are people that suffer from Raynaud's disease. It is more common than you might think. Since you don't have it, consider yourself fortunate.
#18305 of 20239 Re: Mazda 6 - no heated steering wheel? [wayne21]
Jun 04, 2013 (8:06 am)
LOL. Well, when you live that far north, the only vehicles at stoplight's are front end loaders and Ice road truckers.
Why a diesel Smart convertible in Canada? It sounds like the least likely car to see in the great white north!
#18306 of 20239 Re: 2013 Ford Fusion Terrible wind noise with windows down [scwmcan]
Jun 04, 2013 (8:19 am)
I see you edited your post since I first read it. I was going to question your findings with your Matrix, saying that the front windows down cause the wuh-whumping sound and to try lowering the rear windows instead. This is exactly opposite of what I found on my 2003 Matrix. (no roof rack or rear spoiler). When the rear windows (only) were lowered from about 1.5" and more, the farther they were opened to half way the worse the air pressure whumping was. A friend who is quite deaf, panicked one day (with pain) when we were going somewhere and I was telling him how bad the whumping noise was. We were doing only about 50 or 55 mph, and I lowered just one of the rears to show him and he grabbed his ears in pain. I quickly raised it of course. He couldn't believe it. Me too, FTM. It does seem to be an anomaly more common in recent decades with the greater aerodynamics that cars have now. That said, the first time I noticed this type of whumping sound was in the back seat of a new Mercedes 300 diesel back in about 1981 or so. The combo with the diesel or exhaust drone was actually almost painful to endure for more than a minute. My brother was skeptical what I was talking about until we swapped places and he witnessed it for himself.
Fast forward many years and I find even small SUV type body shapes, like Nissan X Trail, Rogue, Honda CRV etc...they all seem to do it but to a lesser degree than a sedan.
Jun 04, 2013 (8:28 am)
I had a 71 144S too. I think it was a 71...starting to forget details like that now on some of my many past vehicles.
I agree, it was great in the snow. A very balanced car with its weight distribution. I think the very cantilevered trunk aft of the rear axle helped offset the heavy cast iron block of the (only) 4 cylinder up front. That car had great seats and a wonderful heater/defroster too. It was certainly no ball of fire, but did sound wonderful wound out in third gear. It only sounded like you were going fast though..
But not one of my life-time favourites as a car goes generally..
#18308 of 20239 Re: 2013 Ford Fusion Terrible wind noise with windows down [ethel6932]
Jun 04, 2013 (8:41 am)
I feel badly for you to have discovered this wuh-whumping sound in your new car. It is the type of thing that is easy to not discover during a (sometimes too short) test drive. As others have noted, it is a far too common anomaly among many vehicles in the last decade plus.
Among the many suggestions of trying different windows and measurements raised lowered and combos, try also different speeds in case you can find a sweet spot only a few mph away from your usual. Also try to put your HVAC system into the equation, by experimenting with the recirculate door closed or in fresh air mode. Probably you are finding this annoying sound with it in fresh air mode, but if you can get some relief with the recirculate door closed, it might help for awhile. The idea is that along with the windows and the flow-through rear vents that vent air outside of the car regardless of obvious openings, the HVAC system is instrumental in what controls and affects the interior air pressure once under way. The flow through vents I mentioned, you may not be aware of, but all cars have them since about the 80's. They are often in obscure locations that can vary from inside the rear door jams, to under the trunk floor in some cars (Altima for example).
Good luck...hope you can find a sweet spot with the suggestions which can allow you to drive with your window open a bit for fresh air but not torment the rest of your driving experience.
#18309 of 20239 Re: Mazda 6 - no heated steering wheel? [mani_o]
Jun 04, 2013 (8:56 am)
You have done your homework I see.
Car and Driver said this about the 2012 Camry SE: "Interior surfaces that are close to unacceptable. No steering feel, no braking feel". They said this about the exterior: "Your big chance to become invisible". The Camry placed 5th out of 6 competitors, and the 2012 Accord (the older model) beat it and came in 2nd. (May 2012 mid size sedan comparo)
They said very much better things about the Accord in this months issue. They said it drives great, they liked it inside and out, and the Accord has a lot more features. On the road I notice the new Accords. Very classy car. The Camry looks flimsy in comparison. All the lower panels/ground effects/rockers look very cheap. In particular the fake plasti-chrome around the fog lights looks dreadful.
Given the two choices I would say Accord. The ONLY reservation I have is the Accords CVT. I prefer a 6 speed automatic. You can get a 6 speed stick or a 6 speed automatic with the Accord V6. Just the fact that Honda doesn't offer the CVT with the V6 tells me something about the CVT's performance, and possibly that the CVT wont handle the V6 power reliably.
Good luck! Go drive a 2014 Mazda 6 Sport before you decide!