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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18172 of 20200 Re: 2014 Ford Fusion [jaxs1]
May 19, 2013 (6:28 pm)
Tires are kind of like pizzas. You can't tell by the size which one you will like best.
We have a 2004 Escape, original tires were 16 inch and were good for about 35k of noisy miles. Our 2009 Escape has 17 inch lower profile tires and they are going to be good for at least 80k and are much quieter.
I had a 2007 Fusion with 17 inch Michelin tires, they didn't ride better than the 19 inch on my 2013.
The tires on my 2007 Fusion were rated as Low Rolling Resistance. Looking at the tire width, it was a result of it having more space across the tread bands than some narrower tires.
#18173 of 20200 Re: 2014 Ford Fusion [explorerx4]
May 19, 2013 (6:39 pm)
Invalid comparisons since you are comparing different vehicles.
Tires will not completely make up for and older car not riding as well as a newer model.
One the same vehicle, better riding, less expensive, longer lasting tires will be available in the higher profile, smaller tires.
I am not cross-shopping 2004 vs 2009 or 2007 vs 2013 cars.
#18174 of 20200 Re: - [gimmestdtranny]
May 20, 2013 (3:49 am)
Adding a sub-woofer to a stock stereo is usually the best way to go these days. Why?
Stock head units incorporate lots of useful functions, such as Bluetooth, USB and line in (i-pod/mp-3 player support) plus Satellite radio, digital FM, and most importantly, steering wheel controls. If you want to upgrade your recent-model-year stereo, the new unit has it's work cut out for it. Also, keep in mind that aftermarket stereo's are a huge target for theft. If a thief see's a stock head unit, he will move on.
So, adding a powered sub allows you to keep your car stock looking, while enjoying a powerful and responsive system. You can also replace the crappy paper speakers in all the doors, but honestly I don't even recommend that until you have already added the sub and still are left wanting.
The Infinity sub in my car is NOT the same as the factory unit, but I like the thought of having a sub from an OEM supplier at least, and it only takes up 1 cubic foot.
The sub and amp your nephew gave you is a great way to get started. You will be able to download the instructions for it online, but even if not...generic sub-woofer instructions will do. I have a bad back, so crawling into my trunk was not an option, so I paid for a pro installation. ($80)
PS: Lots of Honda's used to have standard single DIN stereo slots, which makes upgrading a cinch. If any of you are considering it and have odd sized OEM stereo's, buy from Crutchfield's online catalog. They include all wiring harness and mounting kit's for free with purchase. Sony is a good quality and affordable brand name that I trust. IMO/FYI
Lastly, here is an example of the great deals on gear. There are HUGE discounts due to the aforementioned diminishing market on car audio.
#18175 of 20200 Re: Awesome Backy. Newsflash! 2014 Sonata pics! [jaxs1]
May 20, 2013 (3:45 am)
The Sonata is a global model, and while it does have Korean plates; there is nothing in the pictures suggesting that the car would need any changes to sell it in the USA. There are no drivetrain changes and the bulk of the difference in looks is limited to wheels, LED lighting, and better quality interior assembly w/ added center stack buttons.
Here are the pictures again for all to review: http://www.hyundai-forums.com/222-yf-2011-sonata-i45/146394-first-pictures-2014-- sonata-facelift.html
May 20, 2013 (8:16 am)
Lots of good points, thanks. That link to crutchfield seems too good to be true? 200 bucks? Assuming it is good quality stuff and not Walmart-shelf stuff. But just to confirm, that example system is what you would use with a quite new car...in last 2 to 3 years max? I have no Bluetooth or even an aux input (car is 05). Is that same system useable in my car you think, even though many of its features wouldn't be able to be used. The idea being that it would be useable if I get a newer car.
#18177 of 20200 Re: Awesome Backy. Newsflash! 2014 Sonata pics! [cski]
May 20, 2013 (8:28 am)
Cars in different markets very often have trim differences even if the basic body of the car is the same. Things like different taillights, turn signals, changes to the interior, different options available etc..
The cars are tweaked for the tastes in different regions of the world.
There are sometimes differences between US and Canadian models of the same car much less US vs Korean market cars.
#18178 of 20200 Re: 2014 Ford Fusion [jaxs1]
May 20, 2013 (2:01 pm)
It's a great example. The Escape had the same bones from 2001 to 2012.
Many parts are either the same or interchangeable between years.
Tires and wheels can be swapped between any of those years.
Tire expense per set will probably be less with a smaller tire, but they may be lower quality and not last as long.
On the other hand a smaller high quality tire may cost more the a larger lower quality tire.
My point is it's not cut and dry, there are several variables.
Pretty much everyone knows this.
#18179 of 20200 Re: 2014 Ford Fusion [explorerx4]
May 20, 2013 (2:18 pm)
IN GENERAL, larger tires of the same brand and quality cost more. So do the wheels if they are ever damaged. I think that is the one of the main points. The fact that in a few vehicles it may be hard to notice the ride difference when you have a short sidewall, larger diameter tire is NOT the point. IN GENERAL, the shorter sidewalls of same brand and quality of tires will ride rougher.
To compare cheap larger tires to expensive smaller tires for a price comparison is silly. Using same brand and quality the larger tires will nearly always cost more and the short sidewalls always ride tighter. They might not ride bad but they will ride a little different and sometimes the extra handling will outweigh the tauter ride in the dirver's eye. But the fact that a short sidewall will take less of a beating. It's just physics.
IMO 17" are plenty big and they should just design the wheelwells to look good with 17". If someone wants larger the manufacturers should have them as an option and not mandatory if you want a few other options. I spent $900 on Micheliens at Costco for 17" tires. I hate to think what the 18"s on my new car are going to cost me. Probably $1100 or $1200.
#18180 of 20200 Re: - [gimmestdtranny]
May 20, 2013 (3:52 pm)
If you have an I-phone and $200 to blow I would get that system in a heartbeat. Really. Crutchfield does not carry crap. The market is really bad for aftermarket stereo systems and that price is a bona-fide steal.
Just the sub and the amp are worth $200. Then you get the DSP processor, a bump in power for all of your existing speakers, and then you can use your phone hands free through the system, AND your steering wheel controls will still work. Plus, you would have a dock for your phone so you can select mp-3's from I-tunes or Google play or just from your files.
Keeping your CRV's dash stock is the smart way to go. You can velcro the sub-woofer in the back, and if it is in the way, just unhook two wires and remove it.
#18181 of 20200 Re: 2014 Ford Fusion [m6user]
May 20, 2013 (4:20 pm)
My '02 Explorer, same size as a mid size sedan, is on it's 3rd set of tires.
The 2nd set were Michelin's, which I was completely happy with, until it came time to replace them. Sidewalls started cracking after 6 years, but I got my 65k out of them, so they worked as advertised. They went from $640 to $850 for a set of 4, so I did some homework.
Ended up buying a set of General Grabbers for $500 out the door.
They are equal or better than the Michelin's, other than in cold weather they are a bit stiffer and I haven't gotten the 65k they are supposed to be good for, yet. That remains to be seen.
I'll go through the same thing when I have to replace the tires on my Fusion.