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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#1818 of 20187 Re: class leader [kdshapiro]
Jun 09, 2007 (7:20 am)
As a car that I would buy, it's last on my list, but I wouldn't hestitate to recommend it (and I have) to people looking for a family sedan.
What's first on your list? What do you drive now?
I disagree with your comments regarding Ford but understand that you are entitled to your opinions even though they come mighty close to bashing a manufacturer, in my humble opinion, and that is something that is supposedly verboten on this mid-size sedan thread.
I guess that you have conveniently forgotten all those years when Taurus was the No. 1-selling mid-size sedan by a large margin. IMHO Ford allowed the Taurus to die on the vine, did not keep pace with the marketplace which, in turn, allowed Camry to move into the No. 1 spot.
Will Toyota remain there? Will Honda move up? Will the Ford Fusion catch on and become No. 1? Will Sonata sales soar at some point in the future? And what about the Aura and the Altima? Will a Chevrolet Malibu work its way up?
Will Camrys be smitten with another problem like the terrible oil sludge debacle?
Maybe I am not typical, but I have always had good experiences with Ford products and currently own three of them, a 1997 Thunderbird with 85,000 miles, a 2000 Focus station wagon with 92,000 miles and a 2007 Fusion with 3,400 miles.
Would I buy another Ford product? You bet. Have I ever owned anything manufactured by Honda or Toyota? No, but I have owned three Mazda products, which were also fine vehicles.
It's my guess that the Honda Accord is destined to become the No. 1-selling mid-size sedan and that's fine with me. This great country is all about choices and competition, which are both healthy attributes.
#1819 of 20187 Re: class leader [urnews]
Jun 09, 2007 (7:45 am)
I guess that you have conveniently forgotten all those years when Taurus was the No. 1-selling mid-size sedan by a large margin.
Yea - and 50% of those sales were to rental car companies, who's requirements are vastly different than those to consumers. Also think 'pre-internet' period where folks couldn't research like they do now.
My 1996 Taurus was a joke and cemented the forget-Ford feeling in my house. We traded that car for a Camry and the Camry experience was excellent. It'll take many, many years for Ford to move up the possible purchase ladder for me. Probably won't considering the plethora of alternatives out there today.
#1820 of 20187 "Class leader" nonsense
Jun 09, 2007 (7:46 am)
The consumers have voted. The Camry is the class leader
Okay, so now you are saying class leader = sales leader. Before it was the car that was also to be deemed best by reviewers or something like that. So why not just say it is the best selling car in it's "class" or "segment"...or it's the best selling midsize car? Heck, you can even say it's the best selling car period.
#1821 of 20187 Re: "Class leader" nonsense [jeffyscott]
Jun 09, 2007 (8:12 am)
I would say the camry is the sales leader, and thats all. I wouln't call it best in class, best in segment, best car or anything else. Sales numbers are subjective. They're affected a lot by perception, advertising, marketing, and a host of other factors.
And I agree with what the other poster said about ford. I would never again in my life buy a ford car. Just too many bad experiences in the past. And that's not unusual, most people who have a bad experience with a car won't buy from them again. But, I think in the case of ford, they let quality control durring the 90's slip to a level where they alienated a lot of past customers. I don't think they did it on purpose, they just figured the future was in SUV's and Trucks. They paid a lot less attention to, and spent a lot less money on their passenger cars.
And it's not my intention to bash Ford, just reality. They'll recove eventualy, and if their cars don't, they sell enough trucks that they will always be a big (even if not the biggest) player in the automotive market.
#1822 of 20187 Re: A casualty [lightfootfl]
Jun 09, 2007 (8:42 am)
All are ok, and as you'll see, the damage is purely cosmetic. I know this isn't exactly on topic (although it IS a car listed for this page! ) but I appreciate y'all listening to me; we're a midsize sedan family, ya know!?
Long story short - Heavy traffic. Two-lane interstate each direction, 70 MPH. I'm in the left lane keeping up with everyone, doing about 70 (right lane was slooooow). Crazy-guy tries to pass me on inside shoulder unsuccessfully (he ran out of grass and nearly hit a guardrail). He is able to pass on the right (remember, I'm keeping up with what is in front of me within about 4 carlengths the whole time). He swerves over, and clips me. The policeman said it was obvious he wasn't telling the truth, and I was, based on the damage pattern and my story. He got out of his car playing it off saying "it was just a fender bender, no big deal." I may file a complaint at the courthouse, the policeman told me it was at my discretion to do so.
My parking light is missing, and my passenger side low-beam doesn't work, but both highbeams work, as well as the blinkers. Nothing too much seems to have happened under the hood. I drove it up to 70 MPH last night after it happened with no problem. When I had to turn off my high beams, I had to slow way down though, with only one light!
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#1823 of 20187 Re: "Class leader" nonsense [jd10013]
Jun 09, 2007 (8:50 am)
And that's not unusual, most people who have a bad experience with a car won't buy from them again. But, I think in the case of ford, they let quality control durring the 90's slip to a level where they alienated a lot of past customers. I don't think they did it on purpose, they just figured the future was in SUV's and Trucks. They paid a lot less attention to, and spent a lot less money on their passenger cars.
I think that's an accurate assessment, JD. People who have had a bad experience with a make or model tend to avoid buying another apple out of that barrel. Conversely, those who have pleasant experiences usually consider the same manufacturer when it comes time for a new vehicle.
This is why quality is so important for all manufacturers and I believe the auto industry, as a whole, has make tremendous progress in the last 20 years and continues that trend today.
I've owned a great many cars and trucks, both new and used, since getting my first car, a 1952 Studebaker in 1958 and none of them were really "bad."
Our 2007 SEL AWD Fusion is, however, in a league of its own (for the first six months). The fit and finish is perfect and there have been zero squeaks, rattles or things that go bump in the night. The car is flawless as far as we can tell. Knock on wood. I hope the trend continues, of course.
I simply can't imagine a Camry or Accord being any "better," yet I am 100 percent sure that legions of Toyota and Honda owners are just as satisfied with their purchases, too.
#1824 of 20187 Re: A casualty [thegraduate]
Jun 09, 2007 (8:51 am)
The hubcap staying on is a good sign. Shouldn't be any suspension damage. Do you know of a good shop in your area?
#1825 of 20187 Re: A casualty [elroy5]
Jun 09, 2007 (8:53 am)
Well, he didn't hit me below the fender, so it drives perfect. I'm heading to the dealer in a few to talk to a long-time family friend about it (he is sales manager, but is the type that wouldn't even let us DRIVE a Passport back in the day because it wasn't a good car), and where I should get the estimate. This crazy-guy's insurance should cover it, since it was obviously his fault.
#1826 of 20187 Re: A casualty [thegraduate]
Jun 09, 2007 (8:59 am)
What insurance company does he have? Not Safeway, I hope. It could be easier going through your own insurance company, even if the other guy is at fault.
#1827 of 20187 Re: A casualty [thegraduate]
Jun 09, 2007 (9:20 am)
That's one of those, looks (semi-OK)like not too bad, but until a good shop checks it out you can't tell. Glad it wasn't worse, and all runs out good. This kind is more frustrating, especially as you have maintained it. Unfortunately today's shops will look and say something like "oh,front qtr, plus."...etc I hope you have a good shop relationship somewhere. Be aware how it will affect the insurance rates too. Also, considering all things, present and future, be sure to document everything,and keep the reports and pics,also consider seeing a doc, just in case, even if you don't file for anything immediately, or ever. It could possibly "bite you much later". Again, happy it wasn't worse, and you are OK.