Last post on Dec 09, 2013 at 7:13 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18169 of 20237 Re: 2014 Ford Fusion [explorerx4]
May 19, 2013 (1:52 pm)
The Fusion with OEM 19" rims look great at least. I like "right sized" rims. I see a lot of cars on the road who's owners have made grave errors in judgement. I am talking about 22" and up, non OEM monstrosities on the wrong cars.
We have all seen them. Like cars with tiny brakes and giant; see through flat black rims look terrible, no matter what make and model. Here is a particularly bad lapse in good sense:
#18170 of 20237 Re: 2014 Ford Fusion [jaxs1]
May 19, 2013 (1:52 pm)
My point is, rim size by itself doesn't completely determine ride quality. Tires make big difference.
#18171 of 20237 Re: 2014 Ford Fusion [explorerx4]
May 19, 2013 (2:36 pm)
Bigger rims equal lower profile tires if they are going to fit the same car properly. Lower profile tires equal worse ride. More rubber and air between the rim and the road equals better ride.
Multiple reviews mention worse ride with the larger wheels on this car and others. There is no way the thin low profile 40-45 series tires of any brand can be comparable to the best riding "normal" tires. Maybe they are not "that bad," riding on a Fusion but I want the best ride and least road noise in this type of car, so 18-19" tires are not for me. It would be different if I was getting a sports car or was buying a car just for looks.
The 17 inch tires on the Fusion SE are already lower profile that the average tire was a few years back. I'd actually prefer the 16 inch 60 series tires on the Fusion S, but that trim level is too stripped of available options.
It's not even just the ride deterioration and added road noise. They cost much more to replace. The tread life is low so you are back to the tire shop getting them replaced more often and spending more money per tire. There is usually a fuel economy hit associated with bigger rims and lower profile tires.
#18172 of 20237 Re: 2014 Ford Fusion [jaxs1]
May 19, 2013 (6:28 pm)
Tires are kind of like pizzas. You can't tell by the size which one you will like best.
We have a 2004 Escape, original tires were 16 inch and were good for about 35k of noisy miles. Our 2009 Escape has 17 inch lower profile tires and they are going to be good for at least 80k and are much quieter.
I had a 2007 Fusion with 17 inch Michelin tires, they didn't ride better than the 19 inch on my 2013.
The tires on my 2007 Fusion were rated as Low Rolling Resistance. Looking at the tire width, it was a result of it having more space across the tread bands than some narrower tires.
#18173 of 20237 Re: 2014 Ford Fusion [explorerx4]
May 19, 2013 (6:39 pm)
Invalid comparisons since you are comparing different vehicles.
Tires will not completely make up for and older car not riding as well as a newer model.
One the same vehicle, better riding, less expensive, longer lasting tires will be available in the higher profile, smaller tires.
I am not cross-shopping 2004 vs 2009 or 2007 vs 2013 cars.
#18174 of 20237 Re: - [gimmestdtranny]
May 20, 2013 (3:49 am)
Adding a sub-woofer to a stock stereo is usually the best way to go these days. Why?
Stock head units incorporate lots of useful functions, such as Bluetooth, USB and line in (i-pod/mp-3 player support) plus Satellite radio, digital FM, and most importantly, steering wheel controls. If you want to upgrade your recent-model-year stereo, the new unit has it's work cut out for it. Also, keep in mind that aftermarket stereo's are a huge target for theft. If a thief see's a stock head unit, he will move on.
So, adding a powered sub allows you to keep your car stock looking, while enjoying a powerful and responsive system. You can also replace the crappy paper speakers in all the doors, but honestly I don't even recommend that until you have already added the sub and still are left wanting.
The Infinity sub in my car is NOT the same as the factory unit, but I like the thought of having a sub from an OEM supplier at least, and it only takes up 1 cubic foot.
The sub and amp your nephew gave you is a great way to get started. You will be able to download the instructions for it online, but even if not...generic sub-woofer instructions will do. I have a bad back, so crawling into my trunk was not an option, so I paid for a pro installation. ($80)
PS: Lots of Honda's used to have standard single DIN stereo slots, which makes upgrading a cinch. If any of you are considering it and have odd sized OEM stereo's, buy from Crutchfield's online catalog. They include all wiring harness and mounting kit's for free with purchase. Sony is a good quality and affordable brand name that I trust. IMO/FYI
Lastly, here is an example of the great deals on gear. There are HUGE discounts due to the aforementioned diminishing market on car audio.
#18175 of 20237 Re: Awesome Backy. Newsflash! 2014 Sonata pics! [jaxs1]
May 20, 2013 (3:45 am)
The Sonata is a global model, and while it does have Korean plates; there is nothing in the pictures suggesting that the car would need any changes to sell it in the USA. There are no drivetrain changes and the bulk of the difference in looks is limited to wheels, LED lighting, and better quality interior assembly w/ added center stack buttons.
Here are the pictures again for all to review: http://www.hyundai-forums.com/222-yf-2011-sonata-i45/146394-first-pictures-2014-- sonata-facelift.html
May 20, 2013 (8:16 am)
Lots of good points, thanks. That link to crutchfield seems too good to be true? 200 bucks? Assuming it is good quality stuff and not Walmart-shelf stuff. But just to confirm, that example system is what you would use with a quite new car...in last 2 to 3 years max? I have no Bluetooth or even an aux input (car is 05). Is that same system useable in my car you think, even though many of its features wouldn't be able to be used. The idea being that it would be useable if I get a newer car.
#18177 of 20237 Re: Awesome Backy. Newsflash! 2014 Sonata pics! [cski]
May 20, 2013 (8:28 am)
Cars in different markets very often have trim differences even if the basic body of the car is the same. Things like different taillights, turn signals, changes to the interior, different options available etc..
The cars are tweaked for the tastes in different regions of the world.
There are sometimes differences between US and Canadian models of the same car much less US vs Korean market cars.
#18178 of 20237 Re: 2014 Ford Fusion [jaxs1]
May 20, 2013 (2:01 pm)
It's a great example. The Escape had the same bones from 2001 to 2012.
Many parts are either the same or interchangeable between years.
Tires and wheels can be swapped between any of those years.
Tire expense per set will probably be less with a smaller tire, but they may be lower quality and not last as long.
On the other hand a smaller high quality tire may cost more the a larger lower quality tire.
My point is it's not cut and dry, there are several variables.
Pretty much everyone knows this.