Last post on Dec 09, 2013 at 8:19 AM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18079 of 20228 Re: Awesome Backy. Newsflash! 2014 Sonata pics! [benjaminh]
May 02, 2013 (8:30 am)
I agree. The photo car is the same color as my wife's 2013 Sonata, and without looking VERY carefully I can't see any change from the 2013 model (except her car is a GLS, so there's slight exterior diffs just because of that). And the interior of the photo car is a bit different, but again it's a loaded model so I can't tell how it will translate to the GLS.
I expected more of an upgrade for a mid-gen refresh. But frankly, the styling wasn't any issue for me. It would be great if in the mid-gen refresh Hyundai addresses all the little glitches that some folks have had with their Sonatas, e.g. steering and smartphone pairing. Maybe add a power passenger seat (and maybe a standard manual height adjuster) option too, as some folks think the passenger seat is too low. My wife's Sonata has been flawless, but it's a tough market so some improvements are needed to keep pace.
#18080 of 20228 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [backy]
May 03, 2013 (1:25 am)
Hey backy....I see you have 10+ inches of snow up there. How does your wife's Sonata GLS hold up with all the harsh weather in Minnesota? I mean with all the salt and scraping and corrosion. My folks were Buffalo natives and I was shocked at how bad cars rust there. Sorry you are still getting snow here in May!!!
#18081 of 20228 Favorite/least favorite mid size features:
May 03, 2013 (3:52 am)
On my Optima:
1) Steering wheel controls. I can do almost everything without my hand leaving the wheel, or taking my eyes off the road.
2) Comfortable seats
3) Smooth powertrain operation.
1) Passenger seat too Low and has no height adjustment
2) Hard to see out of. Needs rear view camera as standard equipment.
#18082 of 20228 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [cski]
May 03, 2013 (3:01 pm)
Too early to tell how the Sonata will hold up through many winters. Really appreciated the seat heaters this winter, though! But my 10-year-old Elantra has been through 10 Minnesota winters and has held up great, just a dime-sized paint bubbling near the rear license plate. The important thing is to get the salt off the car. So I use the card I got from the dealer which provides $5 "works" touch-free washes at a place a mile away. And I can use that on all my cars.
Fortunately, we didn't get the 10+ inches of snow some other parts of Minnesota got yesterday, everything we got melted on contact.
#18083 of 20228 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [backy]
May 06, 2013 (4:57 am)
My neighbor has a 2003 Elanra GLS. With 170k it has needed only tires, brake rotors & pads, and oil. A good little car.
When you said your Elanra has been holding up well after 10 Minnesota winters, I looked up the Edmunds review, and found ANOTHER HYUNDAI "MISSTATEMENT". It seems that they rated the 2.0 liter engine at 140 hp, when it really only makes 135.
Not good. How do I trust a car's integrity, MPG, and Specs when the manufacturer is caught lying about them?
#18084 of 20228 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [cski]
May 06, 2013 (6:21 am)
OMG, that was eons ago. It affected my 2001 Elantra (not my 2004, which I still own and is rated at 138 hp), and I got a prepaid debit card from Hyundai as compensation. Frankly, it was not an issue for me, as I didn't buy the car thinking, "If it doesn't have 140 hp, forget it!" At the time, even 135 hp was more than most everything else in the class.
Other automakers have misstated hp ratings also. Might want to keep track on a spreadsheet or something like that so you know which cars not to buy in the future.
#18085 of 20228 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [cski]
May 06, 2013 (7:08 am)
How do I trust a car's integrity, MPG, and Specs when the manufacturer is caught lying about them?
I guess Honda and Toyota aren't to be trusted either, if you use that logic.
My aunt bought a 2005 Odyssey with 255hp, only to have it re-rated at 244. The 2005 Avalon with 280hp? How about 268.
That 3.3L 225hp Camry SE? It was re-rated at 210.
The $50,000 Acura RL had 300hp, right? No, re-rated to 290.
The SAE changed guidelines for rating in 2005. It affected most every manufacturer.
#18086 of 20228 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [backy]
May 07, 2013 (3:56 am)
I meant no offense. I drive a Hyundai/Kia product too. I just want to get what I paid for, and I am aware that other manufacturers fudge the numbers as well, and not just car companies. The Hyundai MPG scandal left a lot of owners with a bad taste in their mouth, including me...makes you wonder how many other features and specs are overstated.
I tried to get over 30 mpg highway yesterday, ECO button on, A/C off, and I mustered up all the patience of a Buddhist monk and kept the speed at 60 mph.
What did I get? 26.9 MPG. No traffic, no stops, no passing, no sudden throttle inputs, and I coasted in neutral on all downhill grades.
I am going on vacation next month with an 850 mile round trip, so maybe longer, flatter roads will make a difference.
May 07, 2013 (6:14 am)
Wow 26.9 stinks for 60 mpg steady speed (my Sienna minivan does better). Should be higher than that. Consumer Reports got it at 39 mpg going a steady 65 mph. It is behind the Accord, Camry, Altima and Mazda6 (which get between 40 and 44 on the same test), but it should still get mid to upper 30's with no problem.
Was there a headwind? Tires inflated properly? Was the road surface coarse? Was the road wet? Looks like you were in a hilly area - try it on level ground. You should be over 40 mpg at 60 mph.
If nothing works, I would try renting a Sonata and seeing how that one does. If it does much better you will know there is something wrong with your car.
#18088 of 20228 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [cski]
May 07, 2013 (7:02 am)
Do you have the 2.4L or the turbo? Recently on a 180 mile round trip with some city driving, but most at 65-67 mph on cruise, I got 36.5 mpg with my wife's 2013 Sonata. And got 38.5 mpg on the all-highway trip to the destination. That was at mid-30s for temps, so not ideal weather but not too bad.
I have no idea how you could get only 26.9 mpg on a new Optima at a steady 60 mph with no stops. My only conclusion is there must be something terribly wrong with your car. I can get mid-20s mpg IN TOWN, in winter, on my wife's Sonata.