Last post on Dec 10, 2013 at 5:10 AM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18069 of 20238 Re: 2013 Honda Accord vs. 2014 Mazda 6 vs. 2013 Nissan Altima Comparison Test [gimmestdtranny]
May 01, 2013 (7:45 am)
Regarding the CVT in the Altima. I rented an 2012 Altima(not rated as high mpg as the 2013) to make a trip from Chicago to Texas and back last year. It got about 34mpg with 97% expressway driving between 70-75mph. While I didn't really care all that much for the CVT, I think it was more of being "used to" a standard auto tran versus the CVT which performed fine. I did appreciate the low RPM at cruising from a noise/vibration viewpoint. I drive fairly aggressively but very rarely race others at stoplights etc and am usually pretty soft on the pedal unless I'm in a hurry. The only time I had an issue with this 5000k rpm thing was when I really floored it once. It actually shocked me in thinking that I had it in neutral or something as I immediately let off on the gas. The car really hadn't even took off yet to any degree before I let off on it.
So my point is, I think if you drive it easy or even with a slightly heavy foot you don't experience this. But if you floor it a lot it would be something that you would really have to get used to and I'm sure would affect MPG greatly.
#18070 of 20238 Re: 2013 Honda Accord vs. 2014 Mazda 6 vs. 2013 Nissan Altima Comparison Test [m6user]
May 01, 2013 (8:03 am)
Interesting. Good to get some first hand input. I had gotten the impression that it has been too easy to see the high revs when just being a bit aggressive in day to day city life. My impression was derived both by everything I have read in the past year or so, and the 09 I demo'd (and a 2010 Outback). I have a feeling that with my driving style it would probably get pretty good mpg, because I was impressed with how it would work with you at managing a cruise with very low revs, but only on very level ground and only if you were content to be quite passive with it. If you weren't, it was quick to spool up and you could see the onboard computer showing a lot of fuel used during those transitions.
I had the same opinion with a new 2011 Outback Wagon (with CVT) only it sniffed out grades even easier ...no doubt due in part to the extra parasitic drivetrain losses that AWD imposes. Plus I drove it in the winter vs a summer drive in the Altima.
#18071 of 20238 Re: 2013 Honda Accord vs. 2014 Mazda 6 vs. 2013 Nissan Altima Comparison Test [suydam]
May 01, 2013 (8:31 am)
"The Altima is a great car and we had a hard time choosing between it and the Accord. Oddly, though the Altima is lighter, it felt like the bigger, less agile car when we drove it."
Car & Driver said the same thing. They said the Accord felt like it was made of "Lightweightium", and that was part of the Honda magic. It feels bigger inside and smaller outside. (Like the TARDIS) Lol.
#18072 of 20238 midsize sales for April
May 01, 2013 (3:56 pm)
Thanks to TSX69 at vtec.net for these numbers:
#18073 of 20238 Re: midsize sales for April [benjaminh]
May 01, 2013 (4:02 pm)
For the second month in a row the Camry was #2. Is the mediocre Camry finally crumbling? Fusion has fallen a bit because the Ford factory in Mexico where they are made can't put em together fast enough. The Altima's plunge seems puzzling (it was #1 just last month!), but might possibly be because Nissan had a huge sale to rental car companies in March?? Sonata and Optima seem solid, and the Malibu is also holding its own. In terms of the race for #1, it does seem possible that either the Altima or Accord might get the crown. I'll believe it when I see it, however, as I think Toyota is going to put cash on the hood in a huge way any day now. The Camry may be so-so as a car, but for many people if it costs $2000+ less than most of its competitors it's a good enough to buy like hotcakes. Still, the race is on, and Camry is facing real competition for the first time in years.
#18074 of 20238 Re: midsize sales for April [benjaminh]
May 01, 2013 (4:28 pm)
So, Passat didn't even make the top 9??
Sonata + Optima almost matching Camry in sales... whodathunkit.
#18075 of 20238 Re: midsize sales for April [backy]
May 01, 2013 (7:08 pm)
Maybe VW reported their numbers late? The Passat is in their somewhere, probably at about the 10,000 a month level.
#18076 of 20238 Awesome Backy. Newsflash! 2014 Sonata pics!
May 02, 2013 (5:12 am)
Here are some pics of the 2014 Sonata. Hyundai really did good work on the new interior...though it's a bit too grey. The exterior looks great too, especially the new front end. The car is shown in top level trim, complete with 20" rims, LED headlights and fogs, dual exhaust, and blackout roof with an electro-chromatic self darkening sunroof.
I can only wonder how the bread and butter GLS will look as the "$199 a month" volume sales leader.
#18077 of 20238 Re: Awesome Backy. Newsflash! 2014 Sonata pics! [cski]
May 02, 2013 (6:35 am)
Not much change at all to my eyes, but maybe I'm missing something and/or the pix are too small.
The 2013 Accord seems like a radical redo compared to this warmed over "new" model.
I imagine it will sell fine, but....Surely that can't be an all-new car.
Maybe it's just a refresh of the current model?
#18078 of 20238 Re: Awesome Backy. Newsflash! 2014 Sonata pics! [benjaminh]
May 02, 2013 (7:53 am)
Sorry, thought I put refresh in there. It is not an all new car.
The fog light design is new, the interior has upgraded materials, the taillights are now wrap-around LED's, and dual exhaust is added to more models, rims are new design. Subtle changes, but changes indeed.