Last post on Dec 12, 2013 at 7:56 PM
You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18020 of 20241 Re: Passat [tundradweller1]
Apr 24, 2013 (4:56 pm)
How long did you spend trying to figure out the hvac controls? 30 seconds? Most people can figure it out in just a few minutes. It's not rocket science.
#18021 of 20241 Re: Passat [akirby]
Apr 24, 2013 (7:44 pm)
If you own a car, and drive it every day, learning all those buttons isn't an issue. Where it's a problem is for people who rent cars a lot, business travelers like me. I appreciate simple controls, e.g. the 3 rotary HVAC controls used in some cars like the new Mazda6, and on Nissans like my Sentra. Not very sexy, but intuitive. IMO there's way too many clever control layouts on cars these days. I think Ford is perhaps the worst offender there, but GM isn't far behind. Hyundai has backtracked in that respect, from a very simple control layout on the previous Sonata, for example, to lots more buttons today.
#18022 of 20241 Re: Passat [backy]
Apr 24, 2013 (8:43 pm)
I agree it takes longer to learn it in a new car - especially a rental. But it's still only 5 minutes, not hours.
I think part of the problem is people try to manually control the automatic climate control instead of just changing the temp up or down like you would control your home hvac.
Apr 25, 2013 (4:18 am)
True it takes time to acclimate. Still I believe taking this trendy, starship enterprise, approach honestly borders on being unsafe considering the visual time required to locate and run the controls. Granted I really do like the more simplistic touch screen on the 6 but at least they separated the HVAC controls.
Maybe I'm just cantankerous with yet another 8" snowfall here on May 19th
#18024 of 20241 Re: Difficult,complicated Star- Trek Controls....
Apr 25, 2013 (5:03 am)
I have to say that the Optima has one of the most intuitive and high quality dash layouts as compared to many other modern designs. I feel it is comparable to the Mazda 6, especially the intuitive "hop in and go" layout.
I have dual-zone climate controls, a step up from the base Mazda 6's classic 3 knob design, and I have never once needed the manual to operate it. The is a knob for the driver, and another for the passenger. Just press "Auto" and turn the knob to desired temp. The same goes for the radio. Even with Bluetooth, Satellite, 2 different Aux inputs, USB, I pod, and a phone menu, I have never needed to consult the manual.
Car and Driver has confirmed my thoughts on this. In a 5 car comparo, even against the Sonata SE, they said "We prefer our Sonata in Optima clothing" they meant inside and out. As a result, the Optima beat the Sonata in that comparo.
My car was deigned by Peter Shreyer, who was a senior designer for Audi. It is no mistake that the car can be easily mistaken for an entry level luxury sport sedan. Just another reason that sealed the deal when I said "I'll take it".
#18025 of 20241 Re: Passat [tundradweller1]
Apr 25, 2013 (12:55 pm)
Well nobody is holding a gun to the rental car companies and forcing them to purchase rental cars with complicated controls. They can always buy the cheaper models which is usually what they do anyway.
OTOH if you are a MyFordTouch owner you will appreciate having a familiar interface with the automation.
Can't please everyone. I always take time to figure out all the necessary controls before I pull out of the space.
#18026 of 20241 two milesones today
Apr 25, 2013 (2:12 pm)
After 8 weeks, I finally hit 1,000 miles and I tried out the paddle shifters for the first time.
They work just the way I want them to.
I have a mile+ long hill about a mile from my house.
The car doesn't like to downshift when going about 50 mph up the hill, but I don't like lugging the engine.
Dropped it into 5th and it held it until I up shifted it near the top. Didn't have to use Sport Mode to do it.
#18027 of 20241 Re: Passat [tundradweller1]
Apr 25, 2013 (3:51 pm)
I couldn't agree more. As much as I like how the new Fusion looks and drives, I have major issues with Ford's new center stack designs. What could they possibly be thinking? The last two Ford products I drove had temp. read-outs in both the tiny display in the instrument binnacle as well as the screen on the dash. And why? I'm sure the incremental cost for throwing in an extra read-out nowadays (since you've already got a screen in both places) is quite low, but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Ford needs to reign in its dash/infotainment design teams. Some of their control panel designs look more like what you'd expect to see on a kitchen appliance than in an automobile.
Not to wax too nostalgic about the '80s, but does anyone recall the GM HVAC controls from the decade? What genius: an easy to use finger slide for each of the temperature and air direction controls and one simple knob for blower speed. When I was just starting to drive, I never had to take my eyes off the road to adjust the controls in either of my parents' vehicles. Their 85 Chevrolet and 88 Oldsmobile had identical control panels. On top of that, the Delco head units were a near perfect match as well (I recall the Olds having an additional search button for the cassette player - totally awesome).
Can you imagine operating MFT without taking your eyes off the road at all [even if you've owned the car for an extended period of time]? I guess you can talk to the thing if you wanted to (my current Ford's voice recognition software works... kind of).
While I'm no Luddite (I do not miss cassette players; carrying a collection of tapes into and out of the car everywhere you went to avoid the inevitable heat damage to your music collection was a hassle and a half) and enjoy many of the modern entertainment features available on newer cars (e.g., satellite radio, USB and media inputs, etc.), I'm very irritated by needless complexity - especially when it comes to HVAC controls.
Somehow someway Mazda has figured out how to add content without creating a buttonpalooza on the dash. At least on the 6 Sport, it's entirely possible to operate the HVAC and radio controls w/out the driver ever taking his eyes off the road. Brilliant.
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#18029 of 20241 Re: Passat [gogophers1]
Apr 25, 2013 (4:08 pm)
I'm not following you. Are you talking about a "standard" heat and air conditioning unit instead of climate control system where only the temperature is set and the unit decides whether to give heat or A/C and through which vents?