Last post on Dec 08, 2013 at 7:45 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#18002 of 20223 Re: debating [tundradweller1]
Apr 23, 2013 (1:54 pm)
I look at it this way, I had an AWD Fusion that average just over 22 mpg for the time I had it, so I'm really happy with the mileage the new Fusion is getting.
It's a 2.0 ecoboost and the combined rating is 26 mpg.
I think I've driven it over 20 miles one way once.
If I go by myself this weekend, I'll probably take the Fiesta, otherwise the Fusion.
Last year I took half the trip in the Fiesta, 40 mpg on the way out and 44 mpg on the return.
#18003 of 20223 Re: debating [explorerx4]
Apr 23, 2013 (2:19 pm)
"I think I've driven it over 20 miles one way once. "
Was it on magic road? Did you see a red Optima at the end? LMAOOOOOO
Just kidding. Take the Fusion. The Fiesta is more of a city car with a shorter wheelbase so the ride will not be as comfortable or as quiet.
#18004 of 20223 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [cski]
Apr 23, 2013 (2:35 pm)
Please EPA tell me where I can get the 35 mpg I was promised?
I know one place you can get it: Minneapolis to Rochester, MN on US-52. Set the cruise to 65-66 (limit is 65) and unless it's really cold or you have a very strong headwind, you'll get your 35 mpg, likely better than that. I did.
Apr 23, 2013 (3:06 pm)
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#18006 of 20223 Re: debating [cski]
Apr 23, 2013 (3:37 pm)
We took the Fiesta to Manhattan last Sunday. Easy to park, but I thought a couple of the potholes were going to eat it.
Apr 23, 2013 (4:40 pm)
I have seen the Passat styling compared to the Impala several times. Yes, the resemblance is there. However, comparing the Passat to the Impala is like comparing the Audi A6 to the Ford Five Hundred/Taurus. The resemblance is there, but the Germans have a way of putting a bit more taste and stateliness in a conservative but tasteful design. The Passat always looks expensive on the street, whereas the Impala with similar side view looks rental. The Passat design will still look good in 12 years, as 12 year old A6s do. The Five Hundred just looks dowdy. The Camry will not look good in 12 years. The Fusion may not either, although it looks rather snazzy now.
As for reliability, VW has stepped up to the plate lately. For years, their TDI models have been more reliable than their gassers. If you want a Passat but are hesitant, get a TDI.
#18008 of 20223 Re: Passat [gregg_vw]
Apr 23, 2013 (5:08 pm)
The Passat always looks expensive on the street, whereas the Impala with similar side view looks rental.
If your handle were gregg_chevy, would you think differently?
The Passat is inoffensive now, and it will be inoffensive in 12 years. So will the Camry and Accord. The Fusion and Mazda6 are gorgeous now, and I think they'll hold up over time styling-wise. (Consider, how well do Aston-Martins hold up, styling wise, over time? Pretty darn well.) Probably the Optima will hold up also. The Sonata might be considered boring in 12 years, who knows?
#18009 of 20223 Re: Passat [gregg_vw]
Apr 23, 2013 (5:43 pm)
Speaking of the Passat, who is buying these things?
I live about 5 miles from a VW dealer and I've only seen 3 or 4 of the current model.
#18010 of 20223 Re: Passat [explorerx4]
Apr 23, 2013 (6:36 pm)
"Speaking of the Passat, who is buying these things?
I live about 5 miles from a VW dealer and I've only seen 3 or 4 of the current model."
I do see them around Louisville here and there, but not a whole lot compared to Fusions, Sonatas, etc., let alone Accord, Camry, and Altima.
VW can make c. 170,000 Passats a year at its TN factory, which is a bit more than 14,000 a month. That seems like a reasonable sales goal, and even 6 months ago it seemed like they were heading toward it. But competition is intense, and VW's lackluster base engine and transmission have hurt it. Passat sales, based on last month, are probably going to be closer to 120,000 for the year. That might mean that 50,000 Passats that VW had planned to have in US driveways are not going to be there.
Even though Accord came in 3rd, the monthly sales rate is probably *above* what the Honda factory in Ohio can make. Flat out, I think I read that they can make about 400,000 Accords a year, which comes to about 33,000 a month. When Honda dealers sold 36,504 last month, they were drawing down their inventories. I was shopping for an Accord around then, and I have seen this happen. A couple of months ago one of the dealers I was considering buying from had about 100 Accords in stock of various models, and now they are down to about 40.
Ford has the same problem with the Fusion—they can't make enough of them. The 30,284 Fusions they sold last month is more than they can make in that factory in Mexico a month. And so when this month's sales figures come out Fusion and Accord sales might even decline slightly—just because there aren't quite enough to go around.
The Altima and Camry are not constrained in that way. Nissan and Toyota could probably make half a million of their model if they really tried. But demand is not at that level even if they give them away, which is almost what they've been doing.
In about 6 months Ford will be in the almost same boat, because the Flat Rock MI plant will be able to make the Fusion too, raising their total Fusion production capacity to about 450,000 during calendar year 2014. Could they really make and sell that many? Maybe. And if they did that might make a Ford midsize #1 in sales for the first time since about 1992. There was an epic battle that year that some may recall between the Taurus and the Accord. The Taurus actually won iirc.
March midsize sales
Altima 37,763 -8%
Camry 37,663 -8.2%
Accord 36,504 +41.4%
Fusion 30,284 +6%
Malibu 18,539 -22.4%
200 16,593 +11%
Avenger 12,439 +33%
Passat 9,521 -5.1%
6 6,102 -22.3%
Legacy 4,400 -18.3%
Apr 23, 2013 (6:41 pm)
VW is trying to move the metal. They are offering 0% for 66 months on the Passat (excluding diesels), and $199/mo leases.