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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#19 of 20237 Is it that different?
Apr 13, 2007 (7:01 pm)
Is the horsepower of todays cars that different than the massive V8 horsepower wars of 30-45 years ago, really? I mean, if cars can have 260+ horsepower and have 2008 revised fuel economy estimates in the mid 20s combined like the Camry does, where is the problem? Bring on the power if the economy comes with it, I say. Apparently, power matters to some people, or they wouldn't get the V6 models. Personally, I drive the I4, since economy matters to me.
It has more safety content than the Ford you chose, interestingly. You value different things however, so the Ford was right for you obviously.
Here is a rundown of 2007 model vehicles with the new 2008 EPA estimates, for everyone's reference (all automatics):
Chevy Malibu 2.2L I4 - 21/31
Chevy Malibu 3.5L V6 - 19/30
Chevy Malibu 3.9L V6 - 16/23
Ford Fusion 2.3L I4 - 20/29
Ford Fusion 3.0L V6 - 18/26
Honda Accord 2.4L I4 - 21/31
Honda Accord 3.0L V6 - 18/26
Hyundai Sonata 2.4L I4 - 21/30
Hyundai Sonata 3.3L V6 - 18/27
Kia Optima 2.4L I4 - 21/31
Kia Optima 2.7L V6 - 20/28
Mazda 6 2.3L I4 - 21/28
Mazda 6 3.0L V6 - 17/25
Mitsubishi Galant 2.4L I4 - 20/27
Mitsubishi Galant 3.8L V6 - 16/25
Nissan Altima 2.5L I4 - 23/31
Nissan Altima 3.5L V6 - 20/26
Toyota Camry 2.4L I4 - 21/30
Toyota Camry 3.5L V6 - 19/28
I left out some models (this took awhile!) but for more info, check out fueleconomy.gov
Apr 13, 2007 (7:26 pm)
SO cool, Post number 20 in room 2.0!! The last room had soo many posts and problems!! GREAT JOB PAT!
But back on topic, Y is it that the ford fusion and mazda 6 use many of the same parts and the same engine blocks but their MPG isn't the same? Maybe aerodynamics?
I hope the next 6(26) gets the 3.5lv6, 6speed auto, and AWD across the line. I also hope the fusion gets these changes. Hopefully, Ford is working on better 4cyl engines so the Fusion can be higer in the MPG ranks! or Diesels...
While somewhat on the subject of MPG, i cant wait until VW puts the new 2l diesel engine in the passat!! I'm really getting into this diesel thing!
#21 of 20237 Re: POST #20 [autoboy16]
Apr 14, 2007 (3:33 am)
Y is it that the ford fusion and mazda 6 use many of the same parts and the same engine blocks but their MPG isn't the same? Maybe aerodynamics?
It could be that (though it would seem to me the Mazda6 would then get the better rating).
Rounding may exaggerate differences. If two cars are measured at 29.4 and 29.6 mpg, one gets a rating of 29 and the other 30.
I think I have read that there are some differences in the tuning of the engines and maybe in the heads, also.
#22 of 20237 Re: POST #20 [autoboy16]
Apr 14, 2007 (6:04 am)
I hope the next 6(26) gets the 3.5lv6, 6speed auto, and AWD across the line.
Oh I definitely hope not. The bigger V6 is great, but its one of the few midsizers with a manual transmission (although a 6 speed manual like the MazdaSpeed6 would be fine with me) and not everyone wants or needs the weight and fuel economy penalty associated with AWD.
If you are looking for a powerful AWD midsized sedan, I would look at a Legacy GT.
#23 of 20237 2008 Mazda6
Apr 14, 2007 (7:15 am)
I saw a report in my local paper yesterday that noted a Motor Trend story (not yet on their web site) about the new Mazda6. It said the styling would be daring, with the roof swept back behind the driver for a sleek look even if it takes away rear head room. Looking around the web, there is general consensus that tne new 6 will be considerably bigger (for more rear leg room) and more powerful than the current model, with the Ford 3.5L V6. I would like to see it get an economical I4 with decent power and a 6-speed stick in the low-end trim line.
#24 of 20237 Re: 2008 Mazda6 [backy]
Apr 14, 2007 (12:22 pm)
It said the styling would be daring, with the roof swept back behind the driver for a sleek look even if it takes away rear head room. Looking around the web, there is general consensus that tne new 6 will be considerably bigger (for more rear leg room)
Maybe I am not understanding this, but it doesn't sound right. Tall people sitting in the back seat will have more leg room, and less head room. I guess they will have to slouch a lot huh?
#25 of 20237 Re: 2008 Mazda6 [backy]
Apr 14, 2007 (12:38 pm)
I am struggling with the trend to make everything bigger. The Civic is about the same size as my old Accord (although heavier), the Accord is bigger than the 80s Crown Vics. I don't need a mile between the front and back seat, I just need room for a carseat or 2, and that is only occasionally.
Even BMW did it, now they are talking about a 1-series that will be about as big as an E30.
#26 of 20237 Certified Accord nut
Apr 14, 2007 (1:02 pm)
I have been driving Accords for 16 years now. 12 years with the first one, and 4 years (with many more to come) on the second. The Accord, despite being a 5 year old design, competes or beats cars that are completely new designs. Some competitors have more hp, and some even have better fuel economy, but the Accord's total package is hard to beat. The attention to detail, keeps the Accord at the top of the heap. Tight build quality, great ergonomics, smooth ride, confident handling, smooth drivetrains, and good power in I4 or V6 versions add up to a car that does everything very well. If you are looking to buy a midsize sedan, I highly recommend the Accord. I have to warn you that this car could spoil you, and you will not be able to consider another brand again.
#27 of 20237 Re: 2008 Mazda6 [lilengineerboy]
Apr 14, 2007 (1:02 pm)
the Accord is bigger than the 80s Crown Vics.
Maybe inside, yeah. At 6'4", my 2006 Accord is the smallest/most efficient new car I could comfortably drive. I hope they keep the efficiency and grow the interior room, personally. The Civic does have similar room inside with my 1996 Accord. Weighs about the same too (2,800 lbs or so).
#28 of 20237 Re: 2008 Mazda6 [elroy5]
Apr 14, 2007 (3:38 pm)
I guess we'll have to see the new Mazda6 to see what the rear seat accomodations are like, but what I'd expect is that, if they use a swept-back roofline but a longer wheelbase, they could mount the rear seat low (ala Civic or Prius) and still have enough head room--albeit maybe not class-leading headroom.