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#17994 of 20249 Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$
Apr 23, 2013 (10:05 am)
Many of you know that Hyundai/Kia fudged their MPG figures on a LOT of models.
I went to lunch today with a friend that has a 2011 Hyundai Elantra Limited, and he received a check for $150 from Hyundai/Kia yesterday. He seemed to think he was going to keep getting one every year. His friend has a Sonata GLS (2.4) and complained about sub 24 mpg results.
My Optima rarely (pretty much never) gets over 25. Even when I reset the MPG computer, just as I am entering the highway, it barely tops 26. This is on a car that is rated 24/35 by the EPA, with an average rating of 28? Most of the time my actual MPG is more like 21.6
Here is an official guide: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Kia_Optima.shtml
The only model of Optima/Sonata that were "overstated" were the Hybrid models.
I don't understand how they are getting away the 2.4 model's, as I have not been able to get anywhere near the stated MPG on the label, and neither have a lot of members on http://www.optimaforums.com/forum/ . You guys know I love my car, but the stated MPG figures that are on the EPA sticker are overstated. I cannot replicate them even when I coast down hills and drive 5 mph below limits with all electronics off on the highway. Where is MY check KIA?
#17995 of 20249 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [cski]
Apr 23, 2013 (10:20 am)
The fastest I have ever driven is 125, in a Caddy STS w/ the Northstar 300 hp engine.
Next fastest was in my red, '87 Chevy Z24. 115 mph with the 5 speed. It was goverened due to tire rating. It had 225/60/R-14 BFG's. Can you believe it had 14's as the "performance"tires? Lol.
Maybe try slowing down?
Just took my wife's 2013 Sonata on its first long trip, i.e. over ~10 miles. 180 miles, mostly highway, a little in-town. Got 36.5 mpg overall, and 38.5 mpg on the trip to my destination (that was under near-ideal weather conditions, albeit a little cool, mid-30s). Driving all short trips around town for the last five months, I've had no trouble getting mid-20s even in winter in MN. My wife doesn't do quite as well, but she never has on any car--she has a Lead Foot.
I have no doubt the Sonata (and Optima, same powertrain) 2.4L can meet or exceed its EPA ratings when driven moderately. The problem is, a lot of folks don't drive that way (e.g. all the people who passed me as I was on my trip this weekend, driving at or a bit above the 65 mph speed limit), or don't have driving patterns that are anywhere close to how the EPA tests cars.
#17996 of 20249 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [backy]
Apr 23, 2013 (11:33 am)
I will concede that this area is very congested, but I did say that I was not able to get close to EPA numbers while purposely driving 5 mph below the limit, with all electronics and HVAC off, and reset the MPG computer on the ramp to the highway. I personally know people with the SAME car, in the same area, who drive "moderately" who also cannot replicate the EPA figures.
Perhaps it is due to the area being hilly? I don't know, but the last thing you said was "or don't have driving patterns that are anywhere close to how the EPA test cars".
There is truth in that statement. Perhaps the EPA needs to adjust their testing procedures to more accurately represent...wait for it.....reality!!!
#17997 of 20249 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [cski]
Apr 23, 2013 (11:48 am)
My trip this weekend had a lot of hills. MPG suffered as I went up the hills, but the downgrades made up for it.
My wife drives like a granny... but a granny with a lead foot. She doesn't do the little but important things to maximize fuel economy.
It's possible to meet or exceed EPA ratings... I didn't say it was EASY.
Edmunds.com (I think, could have been another automotive publication) published a story recently on how EPA testing doesn't mirror reality for most people. Of course, it's easier to blame the auto manufacturer when a car doesn't achieve its EPA ratings. Harder to sue the Federal government!
Apr 23, 2013 (11:49 am)
The EPA has adjusted their numbers downwards twice. Once in the 80's and once a few years ago. The unadjusted numbers are a challenge to obtain (you need to drive real slow - average speed on test is 48 mph), but the adjusted ones should be a piece of cake.
Here are a few unadjusted numbers - all highway.
Accord I4 CVT 51 mpg.
Sonata I4 auto 49 mpg
Altima I4 CVT 56.1
BTW when the government says that EPA standards are being raised to 50 mpg by year 20xx, they are talking about the unadjusted numbers.
Link below has all the numbers - download the excel data files.
#17999 of 20249 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [backy]
Apr 23, 2013 (1:20 pm)
--Then why don't car makers make the ECO or ECON button light up when you are meeting or exceeding the EPA's parameters to obtain the mileage the car is rated for?
I know that is a mouthful, but for instance my mom's 2010 Forte' has an ECO button that lights up when driving 'economically". Does it mean it is EPA economical? It lights up fairly easily, and my mother IS a granny (74), and I assure you she is trying her best to get the best MPG, but she can't get there either.
I just went out to my car and found that my average speed is 29 mph since I filled her up on Friday.I have been driving in mixed city/highway, so it should be getting between 24 and 28, but my car insists that it is getting 21.8.
Well, whatever the case may be I still love the car and that makes up for it quite a bit.
#18000 of 20249 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [cski]
Apr 23, 2013 (1:16 pm)
Your car has an instantaneous mpg meter that you can use to determine if you're meeting or exceeding the EPA rating, right? My wife's Sonata does.
I have been driving in mixed city/highway, so it should be getting between 24 and 28, but my car insists that it is getting 21.8.
You admit you drive in "congested" conditions. I've found FE sucks in such conditions. I only get the good FE I do because I usually don't have to drive on congested roads. I avoid them like the plague whenever possible. One thing the EPA tests are poor at is allowing for a lot of stops/starts, as you will get on congested roads. They also don't allow enough time for stoplights.
#18001 of 20249 Re: Speaking of MPG: Hyundai owners getting $$$ [backy]
Apr 23, 2013 (1:42 pm)
It's the reality thing that is bugging me. Their ratings seem to be based on a commute in magic land where upon leaving my driveway there is a flat level road that is completely straight past fields of flowers and fairies with no stoplights, other cars, and god forbid a gentle rise. After 20 miles at exactly 50 mph at 2000 ft above sea level with an ambient temperature of 67 degrees I park directly in front of my cube farm and am deposited at my desk.
Please EPA tell me where I can get the 35 mpg I was promised? No? Well, I would sue but because I don't have a flat level commute at 50 mph, 2000 ft above sea level at 65 degrees ambient temperature then the auto makers and the government are not liable. Because the reality is that even in EPA magic land the government is still 16 Trillion in debt and "good luck with that lawsuit dude".
#18002 of 20249 Re: debating [tundradweller1]
Apr 23, 2013 (1:54 pm)
I look at it this way, I had an AWD Fusion that average just over 22 mpg for the time I had it, so I'm really happy with the mileage the new Fusion is getting.
It's a 2.0 ecoboost and the combined rating is 26 mpg.
I think I've driven it over 20 miles one way once.
If I go by myself this weekend, I'll probably take the Fiesta, otherwise the Fusion.
Last year I took half the trip in the Fiesta, 40 mpg on the way out and 44 mpg on the return.
#18003 of 20249 Re: debating [explorerx4]
Apr 23, 2013 (2:19 pm)
"I think I've driven it over 20 miles one way once. "
Was it on magic road? Did you see a red Optima at the end? LMAOOOOOO
Just kidding. Take the Fusion. The Fiesta is more of a city car with a shorter wheelbase so the ride will not be as comfortable or as quiet.