Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 5:11 PM
You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17892 of 20200 Re: Lemmings [tundradweller1]
Apr 07, 2013 (6:19 am)
I'll throw in my two cents on this. Just test drove accord 13 and mazda6 2014. Both great cars. However, I actually have to give the handling nod to the accord believe it or not. Definitely liked the appearance of the mazda better both inside and out and the accord seemed a little quicker (4 cylinders). Took both cars on my standard circuit I use for my daily commute. This allowed my to test both cars against my Santa Fe (no comparison of course) and my acura el. (Also no comparison) but I actually ripped onto hi way on ramps and compared max speed for these cars vs what my cars would do and the accord had the edge over the mazda 6. Body roll was less prevalent in the honda. Ride and composure was good for both cars.
#17893 of 20200 Re: Lemmings [eziod]
Apr 07, 2013 (8:02 am)
You test drove these cars (I am assuming they were brand new off the lots), and ran both of them up to their maximum speeds?! I am sure the people who wind up owning these cars will appreciate that!
In MT's recent comparo (May issue), the Mazda6 was actually a bit quicker than the Accord Sport. Of course, seat-of-pants feel is different from instrumented testing.
#17894 of 20200 Re: Accord vs Fusion [dieselone]
Apr 08, 2013 (1:14 am)
You would be surprised how many transmissions are joint ventures. One thing on durability of GM transmissions. All of the little Grumman postal vehicle's have GM 3 speed auto boxes. The real name for these trucks is LLV's, or Long Life Vehicles. They were designed and tested to last for 25 years... With many lasting far longer w/o major repair 's.
There are many more examples of weird co-ventures. The Dodge RAM 1500 and the Bently Continental share their 8 speed unit built by ZF.
I am the last person to come to GM's defense, but they do make some great products. The new Corvette Stingray C7 comes to mind, and the Malibu is a decent car as well. I am also impressed with the Regal and others. Still not going to buy one, but maybe someday.
#17895 of 20200 Re: Lemmings [backy]
Apr 08, 2013 (2:40 am)
Communication, communication. What I meant to say is that I took the cars onto the on ramps as quickly as one can go in the cars on an on ramp. By no means at the maximum speed of the car. That would be suicide! It was done to test cornering ability and body roll.
#17896 of 20200 Re: Accord vs Fusion [cski]
Apr 08, 2013 (6:30 am)
BMW used a GM built transmission a few years ago.
#17897 of 20200 Re: Lemmings [eziod]
Apr 08, 2013 (10:44 am)
Still, I hope the Accord I bought last month wasn't driven like that!
#17898 of 20200 Re: Lemmings [suydam]
Apr 08, 2013 (11:44 am)
Given the choice, I would pick that car to be the owner of, over one that had been stuck in stop 'n go traffic sitting in 100+¼ temps idling away..on its demo drives.
Not too much is harder on a new car than sitting idling excessively.
I'm having a Seinfield episode recollection. (The Smelly Car). I remember on one of my test drive demos, that I literally had to bring the car back to the dealer after only 2 miles..
And this excerpt from that episode describes exactly how bad this poor new car smelled..Whoever had test driven it prior had it really really REALLY bad
He anthropomorphizes the smell:
"Don't you see what's happening here? It's attached itself to me! It's alive! ... And it's destroying the lives of everyone in its path." Again, later: "This is not just an odor - you need a priest to get rid of this thing! ... It's a presence! It's The Beast!" (Elaine remarks on this, later, to Carl: "Oh, man, just rampant, mutant B.O. The "O" went from the valet's "B", to the car, to me. It clings to everything. Jerry thinks it's an entity.")
Too friggin' funny...but only if it doesn't happen to you.
What a show...they really did cover it all...random everyday real world happenings..
That must be one of the drawbacks to being a car salesman. Trying to diplomatically handle someone who stinks that bad. But, "Rampant, mutant" haha BO is WORSE than chain smokers who haven't washed their clothes in 2 months. I have literally had to change grocery lane lines to catch a breath with a family like this a few years ago..
And ya gotta figure if they smell that bad, the grease and dirt has to transfer a huge degree of that debris right onto your new seats..there for life..
#17899 of 20200 Re: Accord vs Fusion [akirby]
Apr 08, 2013 (2:48 pm)
BMW used a LOT of GM tranny's!!! I just looked it up in a BMW forum. Seems the lower power motors in the 323, 325, X series, ALL used GM units, many made in France. (this data involves the E46 models from the 90's and E90 models from 2005 - 2007).
ZF made the unit's in the more exciting BMW offerings. Apparently; the GM's were just as - or more reliable; and cheaper to fix. Thanks Kirby.
#17900 of 20200 Re: Lemmings [suydam]
Apr 08, 2013 (3:05 pm)
Trust me. You would be fine withe cars I drove. I did not abuse the car by any means. 60-70 km/ hr is hardly detrimental to the car. I am a stickler about that for cars I buy as well. If you were so unfortunate to drive one that the salesmen take out, good luck. Now that is abuse. Which brings up a point, why do these dealerships not have testers as was the case years ago? They want to sell vehicles used for testing as new. Check the odometer!
#17901 of 20200 Re: Lemmings [eziod]
Apr 08, 2013 (3:33 pm)
And the odometer can be "hidden" now as you can scroll through different screens. It's easy to overlook.