Last post on Dec 09, 2013 at 7:13 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17864 of 20237 Re: Lemmings [tundradweller1]
Apr 02, 2013 (5:31 pm)
Good point. Perhaps the top car in the class right now, the Mazda6, has dismal sales numbers. And the Legacy is a very nice car, and doesn't sell very well.
#17865 of 20237 Re: Lemmings [tundradweller1]
Apr 02, 2013 (6:30 pm)
Tundra: That was not the point at all! Lmao. We were making fun of and critiquing the car that won—the Camry.
But here's what the editor of Automobile Magazine said in summarizing their comparison test of midsize cars:
"....We have driven the new 2013 Honda Accord, and it is magnificent. Two weeks ago, most of the staff abandoned the office for a unique, bracketed, head-to-head test of eight mid-size cars, arguably the finest group of family sedans ever on the market at one time. Go to automobilemag.com or download our May iPad issue to read the report. I will tell you one thing: the 2013 Honda Accord blew everyone away. It's been a long time coming."
Apr 03, 2013 (8:03 am)
Just taking a wild guess here, but I suspect some of the Mazda6 numbers could be due to them releasing the 2014 MY very early. Maybe lots of shoppers holding off buying the 2013 and waiting for the 2014 to become widely available? Dunno.
#17867 of 20237 Re: Lemmings [kirstie_h]
Apr 03, 2013 (8:42 am)
Probably. But the Mazda6 has never sold in big numbers compared to most competitors, despite being a very competitive car. It certainly will never match the sales numbers of the likes of the Camry, Accord, Altima, and Fusion, since Mazda can't ship enough cars over here even if they could sell them.
#17868 of 20237 Re: Lemmings [backy]
Apr 03, 2013 (9:14 am)
Mazda can't ship enough cars over here even if they could sell them.
Yeah, they just don't have the capacity to be in the top sales tier. That was also true when they weren't made in Japan but in Flat Rock, Mi. They are a smaller company, smaller advertising budget, fewer dealers and always marketed to a somewhat smaller segment looking for a sporty drive in a family hauler body. I always chuckle when people say "they will never sell as many 6's as Camry, Accord or Altima". Really??? It's kind of like Mcdonalds and Wendys. Wendy's will concievably never sell as many burgers for much the same reasons I've mentioned but it doesn't mean they can't make a profit or that their burgers are inferior.
#17869 of 20237 Re: Fusion 6F35 6-speed auto issues, 2010 to 2012 [cski]
Apr 03, 2013 (5:09 pm)
The 6F35 was first used in 2009 in the Escape/?mariner/Tribute.
I thought it was earlier, but I guess that was a different trans.
We have a 2009 Escape, which I knew has that trans.
#17870 of 20237 Re: guesses for model year 2013 [cski]
Apr 03, 2013 (5:14 pm)
I kind of feel like because of the cheap 2 year lease deals, reliability is a tougher call.
Not too much usually goes wrong in 20-30k miles, and after that the next buyer doesn't really know what the car's past history is.
#17871 of 20237 What I don't get is.....
Apr 04, 2013 (7:31 am)
I found out that the Optima's sold in Canada are made in Korea, not in the USA. Why? Why would Kia ship cars 6500 miles from Korea instead of 1300 miles from the US? High export tariffs/taxes?
On Ford's alleged "big problem" with it's 6F35 6 speed automatic...I never even heard of it until I saw a post here. I looked it up on the Fusion forums and was able to confirm there were problems with Fusions and Escapes since late 2009, but I can't find info on what percentage of cars are actually affected.
On the Mazda 6, I agree with the host here that it is a 2014 model and can't compete yet in sufficient numbers with the big players in this segment. I CAN say this. I see a WHOLE LOT of Mazda 3's out there, and if the 6 is similarly successful, then they will be a major player indeed.
#17872 of 20237 Re: What I don't get is..... [cski]
Apr 04, 2013 (10:36 am)
Canadian regulations are different enough from the U.S. regulations in terms of little worthless junk like lights (same but not govt approved) and gauges (KM vs U.S.) and bumpers and all of that that it takes too long to re-tool and have a second assembly process for Canadian cars. The Canadian cars are hardly any different from the cars that they sell to Europe and the rest of the world, so they have U.S. plants essentially making U.S. versions.
#17873 of 20237 Re: 35% window tint just installed (for hot summer) [cski]
Apr 04, 2013 (4:52 pm)
Your car looks great. Continued good luck with it.