Last post on Dec 10, 2013 at 5:02 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17851 of 20239 Re: first fill up [savetheland]
Apr 01, 2013 (5:31 pm)
That's a pretty inaccurate post, other than the Fusion using a 6 speed automatic transmission.
#17853 of 20239 2013 Ford Fusion breaks all time Fusion sales records
Apr 02, 2013 (2:46 pm)
The Ford Fusion sold more than 30,000 units in March, and more than 80,000 units in the first quarter of this year, breaking both its all time monthly sales records and its all time quarterly sales records for the first time in Fusion history, putting it in 3rd place behind the Toyota Camry and the Honda Accord, see the full article here:
#17854 of 20239 Re: 2013 Ford Fusion breaks all time Fusion sales records [puppybone69]
Apr 02, 2013 (3:16 pm)
Yeah, it's a sizzling race in the midsize market. I think the Fusion might surprise on the upside and end up in the top 3 by the end of the calendar year. Take a look at these numbers from TSX at www.vtec.net:
Altima 37,763 -8%
Camry 37,663 -8.2%
Accord 36,504 +41.4%; PHEV 26
Fusion 30,284 +6%
Malibu 18,539 -22.4%
200 16,593 +11%
Avenger 12,439 +33%
Passat 9,521 -5.1%
6 6,102 -22.3%
Legacy 4,400 -18.3%
#17855 of 20239 midsize sales for March
Apr 02, 2013 (3:20 pm)
The midsize cars that are slumping in March include the Malibu, down c.22% from March of last year. The Sonata is also down 22%.
VW has the capacity to make c. 170,000 Passats at their factory in TN, but right now it looks like they'll be closer to 120,000 or so. The VW has the least impressive standard engine out of all of the midsize cars.
#17856 of 20239 guesses for model year 2013
Apr 02, 2013 (3:50 pm)
Sales of most 2013 midsize cars began around Sept. of 2012, and most of the model year will be sold out by Sept. of 2013.
In other words, we are about halfway through the model year. It's possible to make some rough guesses as to where things are going to end up for the model year. Here are my guesses:
Camry: c. 450,000 (probably the worst midsize car of the top sellers, but Toyota will give them away to stay #1)
Accord: c. 400,000
Altima: c. 400,000
Fusion: c. 400,000
As you can see, I'm guessing there might be a roughly 3-way tie for second place. The competition is going to be brutal, with great deals on good cars making the customer King (and Queen).
Big drop after the top 4....My guesses
Sonata: c. 220,000 (Sonata is slumping, needs an update asap)
Malibu: c. 200,000 (ditto)
200: c. 200,000 (big move up)
Optima: c. 170,000 (holding steady)
Passat: c.140,000 (I think incentives + diesels + V6s will keep them in the game)
Apr 02, 2013 (3:57 pm)
I thought Ford was already building the Fusion at Flat Rock, MI, but that won't happen until this Fall, according this this article. And so my guess above was clearly wrong. I don't think Ford will be able to make and sell more than c. 300,000 Fusions for model year 2013. During model year 2014, however, Ford should be able to make 450,000—if there's demand for that many....
Ford turned in strong March results, with deliveries up 9.0% on a daily selling rate basis to 231,127 vehicles, volume not seen since May 2007.
Several new Ford models posted gains, with the Fusion midsize sedan up 9.9% and the Escape cross/utility vehicle rising 32.3%.
The 30,284 Fusion deliveries in March mark the first time the car has eclipsed the 30,000 mark in monthly sales since its introduction in 2005, but Ford officials hint that volume may not be sustainable due to capacity constraints.
“We’ve seen record customer sales and strong demand in California and Florida,” Ken Czubay, vice president-U.S. marketing, sales and service, says of markets where the auto maker has struggled in the past. “That will begin to place some constraints in supply starting in coming months.”
Ford currently builds the Fusion at its Hermosillo, Mexico, plant alongside the Lincoln MKZ midsize sedan. Plans call for additional capacity to be added at the Flat Rock, MI, facility this fall.
Czubay, in a conference call today with media and analysts to discuss March sales results, does not disclose current Fusion inventory levels, saying only that levels won’t go “critically low,” but days’ supply will “drop lower than generally accepted.”
#17859 of 20239 Re: guesses for model year 2013 [benjaminh]
Apr 02, 2013 (4:05 pm)
It burns my a** that the Camry stays the sales king. I know they have a loyal following. Their customers feel that they don't break down, and are a good value. Customer PERCEPTION is everything, (and so is a $179 lease payment).
I can understand the lease, and the need to feel "safe" with a car decision,
but why do people buy cars with hubcaps and greyhound bus quality interior for $26,000??? I just don't get it. There is so much out there to choose from before laying down my head at the slaughter with Mr. Toyoda.
Also, I have noticed that nobody posting here is a Sonata fan. I agree with the need of a refresh, post haste, if Hyundai wants to stay at (or near) the top.