Last post on Dec 10, 2013 at 5:10 AM
You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17835 of 20238 Re: first fill up [explorerx4]
Mar 27, 2013 (2:31 pm)
The printed top speed for the Fusion, by Car and Driver, was 120 mph. The article listed both the 1.6 and the 2.0 EcoBoost engines.
The article is here: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-ford-fusion-16-and-20-ecoboost-first-dr- ive-review
To be honest, it sounds a little low for the 2.0. model, but top speed has a LOT more to do with tire rating than it does with capability. My car's top speed is 131 mph. Chances are I will never see it, but it's good to know in case I am running from the feds.
#17837 of 20238 Re: first fill up [puppybone69]
Mar 28, 2013 (9:50 am)
Oh yeah, I totally agree. These cars are very aerodynamic and efficient, and have more gears than we could've imagined. I was just quoting the specs, not capability. Almost all of the reviews I have read govern the cars based on the tire specs. Some cars just run out of steam, others are governed.
I don't think my car has a prayer, with only 200hp, of topping 130. I bet you are right on the money on the swoopy new Fusion 2.0 at 150mph. I read that it has a. 27 drag co-efficient. Only super-cars used to have that kind of aerodynamics. Plus of course it has 40 more HP, and a ton more torque.
#17838 of 20238 Re: first fill up [cski]
Mar 28, 2013 (2:38 pm)
Only super-cars used to have that kind of aerodynamics.
Actually I think it's the opposite...usually the super cars have a very bad drag co-efficient. The only one I remember was the Bugatti...at about .40.
I think it's the huge tires and down force which give a bad co-efficient...still has enough power to get the job done
#17839 of 20238 modern drag co-efficiants
Mar 28, 2013 (3:51 pm)
Yes!, The Veyron has active aerodynamics depending on the driving situation. The wing pops up at certain speeds and at different angles, plus it acts as an air-brake during deceleration. What I am attempting to say is just how much of a technologically advanced car we can get for 20 to 30 grand.
Here is an except from wiki answers on drag: "The average modern automobile achieves a drag coefficient of between 0.30 and 0.35. SUVs, with their typically boxy shapes, typically achieve a Cd of 0.35–0.45. The drag coefficient of a vehicle is impacted by the shape of body of the vehicle. Various other characteristics impact the coefficient of drag as well, and are taken into account in these examples. Some sports cars have a surprisingly high value for a drag coefficient, but this is to compensate for the amount of lift the vehicle generates, while others use aerodynamics to their advantage to gain speed and have much lower coefficients of drag".
Mar 28, 2013 (5:28 pm)
Total drag is coefficient x frontal area. Sports cars tend to have small frontal areas.
Mar 29, 2013 (1:25 am)
On a recent trip, we had a 2013 Camry as a rental. It was a good car, but it definitely was not quite as good as our new Accord, imho.
The engine and transmission combo in the Camry is very good, however, providing nice power and good economy. That's probably where the Camry is closest to the Accord, but the Accord still has the edge, I think, in engine sound, mpg, and probably acceleration as well.
The interior of the Camry seems like a mish-mash of parts that don't always mesh well together or look integrated. The sewn vinyl layer on the top of the dashboard is more odd than lux looking. And hard plastic parts found elsewhere in the dash (particularly the part near the legs of the driver and front passenger) seem cheap.
There are some important standard features on the Accord that the Camry doesn't have, like dual zone climate control, back up camera, and perhaps something else I can't think of right now.
The styling of the Camry is perhaps the weakest in the midsize class, although I know that's very subjective.
#17842 of 20238 Re: 2013 Camry [benjaminh]
Mar 29, 2013 (1:32 am)
Yeah, on the new Camry, many reviews have said that the interior was put together by committee, and that the "aluminum" trim is squishy and can be dented by a fingernail. Also, You are also not the only one who thought the vinyl layer on top of the dash was odd.
#17843 of 20238 A rare review
Mar 30, 2013 (9:46 am)
C/D reviews the base Mazda6 in their May issue. It's nice to see a review on a base model for once, instead of loaded $30k sedans. Since it has a stick, it's not a car a lot of people will put into their garages. But the C/D folks noted that it's a sedan that would fit well alongside a sports car in those garages.
A little bigger than what I need for my next car, otherwise I'd seriously consider adding it to my garage. Although there's no sports car in it right now.
#17844 of 20238 Mazda 6 review/ backy
Mar 31, 2013 (5:17 am)
Cool. I'd better go check the mail for my May C/D issue. I drove the 6i briefly, and I liked it. Unfortunately, there was nowhere nearby to drive it in a sporting manner.