Last post on Dec 09, 2013 at 4:01 AM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17770 of 20224 Re: Motor Trend compares Accord Sport, Camry SE and Mazda 6 [m6user]
Mar 17, 2013 (1:47 pm)
Yes, I must just be lucky with my 3 Hyundais, I'm sure all the rest of them are horribly unreliable. I must have also been unlucky with my 2000 Mazda 626, which started self-destructing after about 8 years, and my Mazda MPV, which started self-destructing after 7 years. I'm sure all other Mazdas are totally reliable, long-term.
I saw the 2014 Mazda6 at the auto show today and it's a stunner, especially in the two colors they had on the floor, a steel blue and red. IMO the top car in the class now just based on interior/exterior styling, and the folks at MT obviously think it drives pretty well too. Bigger than I need in my next car, but if I were looking for a new mid-sizer I'd definitely have the base model with 6MT at the top of my list, along with the Accord LX with the 6MT.
#17771 of 20224 Re: Motor Trend compares Accord Sport, Camry SE and Mazda 6 [backy]
Mar 17, 2013 (3:27 pm)
#17772 of 20224 Re: Luck of the draw..... [m6user]
Mar 17, 2013 (4:01 pm)
Ya, ok, sorry..
If I can nutshell my thinking..
I see this as an opportunity..for someone..
I've said before that even Kia or Hyundai should venture into those waters..the waters being..an AWD car, not SUV..that would provide car-like handling and ride and economy, which you can't get any SUV to match. And the best way to mitigate or offset the extra running expense of AWD (which is also a torque robber) is to go diesel. It just makes so much much sense to me. But to offset the extra cost of diesel AND the AWD hit, they need to offer it in a base type car, which I just can't imagine how that is so hard for these guys to imagine?
NOBODY is doing it over here, unless you count Subaru and it doesn't look like they are going to do the diesel thing either, so people are still left for the extra per mile running costs, and noticeably lethargic urge cuz the gas jobs just don't excel when extra work has to be done.
It's wide-open mkt for one of 'em..I feel it in my bones.
While off topic, I've also said that Kia/Hyundai should be the first to offer a diesel 2WD and 4x4 small p/u..we KNOW there is a mkt for that and cuz they're dragging their heels..probably Ford will be the first? (using...ironically enough..probably a Mazda engine) since Dodge is already probably getting their V6 diesel to mkt in a half ton but full sized p/u.
But I digress..people can't buy what isn't offered..
#17775 of 20224 Re: Motor Trend compares Accord Sport, Camry SE and Mazda 6 [backy]
Mar 17, 2013 (7:48 pm)
Looks like some Hyundai owners can't take some good natured kidding.
No car is perfect, no brand is perfect by any means. I'm sure sooner or later something will break on our old Mazda and even your Hyundais will probably have something go wrong. Heck, in the old days, by 95k miles, most cars would have had many problems already. It's a testament to just how good all these cars have gotten in the last 10 years or so.
#17777 of 20224 Re: Luck of the draw..... [gimmestdtranny]
Mar 18, 2013 (4:49 am)
1) The new Nissan Altima 3.5 and the Pathfinder 3.5 both have CVT's.
2) The Optima is offered with a diesel in Europe. A 1.7 with 134 hp and 244 lb-ft. There is talk of offering a higher power version in the US. (160hp).
#17778 of 20224 Re: Motor Trend compares Accord Sport, Camry SE and Mazda 6 [m6user]
Mar 18, 2013 (6:21 am)
I can take kidding; it's when facts are ignored in deference to hearsay and generalizations not based on fact that I scratch my head.
Actually had something break on my 9-year-old Elantra... HVAC fan appears to be kaputt. Took it in today for replacement. That's it as far as non-wear parts failing in nine years. Not too bad IMO, especially given that car was designed before Hyundai got onto its quality bent.
Mar 18, 2013 (8:00 am)
Just wanted to comment on drivability of these two.
We own a 2011 Sonata 2.0T. First off it's a great car over all without going into all the details. The one thing that I cannot stand is the steering. From day one it had the infamous "left pull". After many attempts by the dealer to align and rotate and exchange the tires it came down to replacing the front struts. They also preformed a update to the steering. Just drove it to and from Chicago, while it still tracks straight the over all feel is still numb, unresponsive. Yes it has electronic steering and lack of feel is a common complaint with these systems.
I have driven 3 different 2014 Mazda 6's and it is far more engaging, especially when pushed hard.
Also both have firm/sport suspensions but the 6 is much less harsh over road seams etc. The 18" low profiles do not help the Sonata's ride but even with 16" rims and snow tires it does not match the more composed Mazda. Granted Mazda has had a couple more years to develop the 6 and I hear a re-fresh is coming from Hyundai.