Last post on Dec 10, 2013 at 5:02 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17752 of 20239 Re: Loving the Accord.... [mani_o]
Mar 14, 2013 (11:34 am)
I have had 6 (5 Accords and 1 Odyssey) Honda automobiles over the past 20 years or so and I put a minimum of 80,000 miles on each and never had a transmission problem of any kind. I just purchased a new 2013 Accord V6. And I am very happy with my choice. It rivals many luxury sedans in terms of comfort, features, amenities, and materials. Light years better than the last generation Accord.
#17754 of 20239 Re: Loving the Accord.... [mani_o]
Mar 14, 2013 (9:59 pm)
I think you take a risk with any new automobile purchase...but with that being said ALL are much more reliable (on average) than the previous generation.
A few years ago I was comparing JD power stats between Audi and Toyota. At that time you could buy a new Audi with the same reliability as a 5 year old Toyota; which in my mind was not too bad. Of course the newer Toyota was ranked even higher.
The Accord tranny is a CVT; I think their first (in NA anyway). There are a few designs out there and I'm not certain the difference between them. The only thing I've heard about the Accord CVT is what I've read (it was positive).
I've had a few friends all need new transmissions (Odyssey) but that didn't stop me from buying 2 Hondas after that. Both were 4 cyl (1 was a manual).
Nissan has offered CVTs for a few years...and have offered extended warranties after complaints regarding high repair costs after the warranty has ended.
I'm not certain of the very-long-term reliability/maintenance costs.
Originally CVTs were only in 4cyl cars; there was some issue with them handling torque. Audi was the 1st to offer a 6cyl with CVT and I don't know if they 'discovered' some design/technique to handle the torque.
I've always liked Honda's with 4cyl (which I purchased in Dec)...if I were to purchase today I'd do it with the CVT without worry...but I'm not basing that off of any facts...just gut-feeling
#17755 of 20239 Re: Motor Trend compares Accord Sport, Camry SE and Mazda 6 [huskerfan5]
Mar 15, 2013 (4:07 pm)
I read the entire article, and I drove a new M-6. It's a great car. No doubt it handles better than others, including my Optima. The thing is ; that for $26,900 I can get a Optima Turbo. For the Mazda's GT price of $31k they better bolt on a turbo and dial up another 100 horsepower. Then the GT will be earned. Right now all the GT means is "Good Tires". I LOVE the 6.....why did Mazda not offer more zoom-zoom????
#17756 of 20239 Re: Motor Trend compares Accord Sport, Camry SE and Mazda 6 [cski]
Mar 15, 2013 (5:32 pm)
One word = MPG. The diesel is coming this fall.
#17757 of 20239 Accord EXL navi sedan
Mar 16, 2013 (10:31 am)
Just got mine last night. Wonderful car so far. Almost everything is improved compared to our 2008 Accord EXL navi 5MT, which we're keeping.
The technology in this car is great, but a bit daunting to figure out.
Anyway, best wishes to all searching for a midize car. As most people here say, there are a lot of good choices.
Safe driving everyone...
#17758 of 20239 Re: Motor Trend compares Accord Sport, Camry SE and Mazda 6 [cski]
Mar 16, 2013 (1:22 pm)
This might smart a little, cski, but just sharing with you out loud my thoughts when I read your post..Honestly...do you really think that when comparing vehicle potential reliability, refinement etc and overall satisfaction levels, it is a dead even comparo to put Kia up against Mazda? I will admit they have come a LONG way in the last few years...note I did not even say decade. That was deliberate and IMO, accurate. You can't even go back 10 years and say they were a force to be reckoned with!
And here is another reason my opinion may seem a little rigid and not very tolerant or complimentary to them yet..
I still read where many owners have been burned by legitimate wty claims, in circumstances where Kia or Hyundai refused because the owner hadn't been in for every little service stamp for brake inspection or some such other carp that few other brands...the ones with more average length warranties..don't have. If you are going to offer a 100000 mile wty (and of personal note and frustration here in Canada, that big 10/100000 is only 5/62000. They call it 5yr/100000km and have never yet been able to properly justify to anyone here who calls them on it, other than blow smoke up our collective butts, as to why the USA gets the better wty. We even pay a LOT more for the same car here.)..anyway, if you're going to offer what appears to be a really impressive wty and if it really IS truly marketed as good value, then why:
a) make it non-transferable?
b) make owners jump through unnecessary, (but usually expensive) maintenance hoops (or use other feeble excuses) to not cover their claim?
I think far too much emphasis is placed on their wty as the value-added perk that tips the scale in their favour (favor) when really, in so many other respects the rest of the car has very real annoyances that wreak of cheapness. Like poor audio systems. There is no excuse for this in this day and age. And rust! Gosh I have seen some Magentis' running around that actually look worse than a 2002 Protege 5, and as we all know, they did have an issue..
And while we are putting cards on the table here so-to-speak..do you think that it is a mere coincidence that Mazda always gets the handling nod, even when compared to their stiffest perceived competition..that being probably Honda?? Practically no matter which auto mag of the day tests, or how many years you wanna go back, for at least 20 years+, Mazda has always done something different when designing and building their suspensions. They deliver crisp responsiveness, but do it without making it harsh. Do you think that is easy (read cheap/more economical) to do, or do you think that the suspension components in both the Hyundai/Kia and the Mazda are of equal value/complexity? Hope you don't mind if I answer for you..no! No they're not! There usually are no free-rides when building and designing a car. If you're gonna be a copy-cat..then it takes years and years of c/cing to start getting it so right you actually deserve to be considered on equal ground when comparing..and in the real world..sometimes it takes 60-80k (or even more dramatically, 120000) miles to really show which one has the better staying power...but one of the big differences is...the Mazda (in this example) is gonna feel a whole lot better behind the wheel, enroute to getting to those 120000 miles in its backpocket and tighter still to boot..
Will Kia and Hyundai ever be good as Mazda is now? Probably, if they don't let happen to them what happened in 1989 era, and/or if Mazda screws up in some respects like they did in 02 to 06, then who knows, the Koreans could pass 'em..
But, IMO, they are in catch-up mode right now with Mazda/Honda/Nissan/Subaru and still will be for a good number of years yet..
Kia/Hyundai...(and the other Asians) if ya REALLY want to impress me..make your rust wty as rock solid as VW's is...
#17759 of 20239 Re: EXTENDED WARRANTIES [gene84]
Mar 16, 2013 (3:10 pm)
I read an article about New York area taxi drivers think very highly of the Prius. Something about it being unkillable. I knew that an extended warranty on my Jeep was a good idea. Not so much on Accord. On my Kia? Yeah, for the right price. I still came out ahead. There was still a tiny bit of doubt about Kia's reliability.
I just had my 15k oil change Thursday. One of the rubber bump-stops on the trunk lid broke off and the center console latch needed adjusted/tightened due to heavy use. Both problems taken care of free.
Mar 16, 2013 (4:51 pm)
A couple of weeks ago, I brought home a 2013 Fusion Titanium.
So far, I haven't even put 200 miles on it, but I hope to be able to provide more observations as I put some miles on it.
It's my second Fusion. I bought the first one in 2008 and had it for about 3 years.
#17761 of 20239 Re: Motor Trend compares Accord Sport, Camry SE and Mazda 6 [gimmestdtranny]
Mar 16, 2013 (5:05 pm)
Mazda owner - "I love my car".
Hyndai/Kia owner - "I love my warranty".
Actually I think Hyundai/Kia make fine cars for the price. But you are right about the others. A number of years ahead in engineering.