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#17703 of 18435 VERANO by cski

Mar 07, 2013 (4:34 pm)

The Verano is positioned as a mid - size sedan alternative. It's drivetrains, weight, pricing, and equipment are aimed squarely at the mid size market. GM calls it a Compact Luxury Sedan. If it was a true compact, then it would have the Cruze drivetrains.

#17704 of 18435 Re: This just in - Honda superiority confirmed again [xrunner2] by b25nut

Mar 07, 2013 (5:08 pm)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Mar 05, 2013 6:30 pm)
CR's ratings were for the 80 cars they tested in the last 12 months. The 2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid finished #2, so some domestics are catching up.

#17705 of 18435 Re: This just in - Honda superiority confirmed again [b25nut] by xrunner2

Mar 07, 2013 (5:17 pm)

Replying to: b25nut (Mar 07, 2013 5:08 pm)
The 2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid finished #2, so some domestics are catching up.
 
Ford has some very good offerings in the last few years. Also of note, Ford did not have to take a government, we taxpayer, bailout as did GM and Chrysler which is now owned by a foreign company. Kind of again. Didn't Mercedes Benz buy Chrysler over 10 years ago?

#17706 of 18435 Re: VERANO [cski] by m6user

Mar 07, 2013 (8:40 pm)

Replying to: cski (Mar 07, 2013 4:34 pm)
No, it is not positioned as a "midsize sedan alternative". Whatever that is. It is well known if you'd care to research it that the Verano is a compact, the Regal is a midsize and the LaCrosse is full size. Look at Buicks website and do a comparison. The first car that comes up in comparison to the Verano is the Acura ILX which is built on the Civic frame. Would you consider the Civic a midsize sedan? Don't know what is so hard to grasp that the Regal is Buicks midsize entry and the Verano is Buicks compact sedan entry. It is built on the Cruze frame and is almost the same exact size as the Cruze. The wheelbase and height are exactly the same as well as some other specs.
 
The Buick weighs more because it has a lot more sound deadening and laminated glass. The reason the drivetrain is diffierent is to differentiate it from the Cruze and make it more of a premium car or Buick. If it was the same drivetrain everybody would just buy a loaded Cruze and that GM is badge engineering again. In fact, a lot of people that don't know any better still say that the Verano is just a fancy Cruze. I don't agree at all as I really like the Verano. But just because something is priced similarly doesn't put it automatically in the same class of car. The Ford Focus is priced very similar to many midsize cars but nobody is comparing it to a Camry.
 
Granted the Cruze and the Verano are both on the large side of the compact like the Sentra but they are all compact, not midsize entries.

#17707 of 18435 Re: VERANO [m6user] by cski

Mar 08, 2013 (3:18 am)

Replying to: m6user (Mar 07, 2013 8:40 pm)
??????? I do more research than anyone should who isn't getting paid for it. The Regal is a Sport Luxury Sedan. It IS Bucks middle offering, but is priced above our vehicles. The Regal starts at $30 grand. Our cars start at $20k. It could be said that neither car really is a mainstream mid size sedan, but I thought it important to at least recognize it as an alternative. ***mid size sedan alternative coined by Autoweek.

#17708 of 18435 Re: Audio isue in the 2013 Accord with Hondalink [cski] by marcus216

Mar 08, 2013 (7:19 am)

Replying to: cski (Mar 06, 2013 1:26 pm)
thanks for the suggestion. I did have a USB flash drive running, so I did remove that and it did not solve the issue. I have since found a TSB with a software upgrade for the HondaLink system. I do not know whether this will address the issue or not. I am waiting for a letter from Honda indicating the need to visit my dealer and get the upgrade.

#17709 of 18435 Re: VERANO [cski] by m6user

Mar 08, 2013 (9:09 am)

Replying to: cski (Mar 08, 2013 3:18 am)
Well, if you had done research on the Verano then you would have found the same information that I did. And you have no idea how much research others do so don't assume anything there. You can usually get a nicer, smaller car with a lot of stuff for a similar price to a larger one so price really isn't the deciding factor in this. Buick is marketing itself as a "luxury" brand and most industry followers recognise it as a "tweener". It's got a 4 yr warranty like most luxury brands and the interiors have gotten almost luxurious as well. The Regal Turbo Prem. is $31,530. The Ford Fusion Titatinium(with 2.0 turbo) is $30,995. A whopping $535 difference.
 
I agree that the Verano is an interesting car as it seems to provide a lot of room inside, quiet and seemingly luxurious with a compact outside and good power with the turbo. I like it and would consider it but I would realize that I was stepping into a compact premium sedan and not a mainstream midsize sedan as we discuss here
 
I just don't know if I'm ready to try GM again after having so many over the years that just needed too many dealer visits during warranty and too many costly repairs after the warranty. I was almost exclusively GM for about 20 years and finally got fed up. Switched to 3 Japanese vehicles about 12 years ago and have been astounded by the difference in quality and ownership experience. Just let go of my 10 year old Infiniti which cost virtually nothing in repairs and warranty adjustments were a grand total of 1 minor issue.
 
But the Verano is a compact semi-luxury or premium car that could be an alternative for some people. It's just not a mainstream midsize car.

#17710 of 18435 Re: Audio isue in the 2013 Accord with Hondalink [marcus216] by cski

Mar 08, 2013 (9:50 am)

Replying to: marcus216 (Mar 08, 2013 7:19 am)
I hope it works out for you. The new Accord is a d*** fine car, in all versions. The last article I read on the Accord (C/D April) said that the infotainment system in the coupe was a little slow to respond. Can you confirm or was it a fluke? The writer found that he would end up hitting a button twice...etc.
 
The Sport C/D tested the with the 6 speed manual got to 60 in 6.6 secs. Strong 2.4 Earth Dreams engine! The Sport with the 18's fooled me into thinking it was a V6. Priced right too.

#17711 of 18435 Consumer Reports by benjaminh

Mar 08, 2013 (10:08 am)

names the Accord their top midsize sedan:
 
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2013/04/top-picks-2013/index.htm
 
Midsized sedan
Honda Accord
 
The Accord was redesigned for 2013, and Honda nailed it, sending this sedan to the top of its class. This new model is roomy, nice to drive, well equipped, and very fuel efficient. With its four-cylinder engine, the Accord squeezes out 30 mpg overall and 40 on the highway, which is as good as the tiny Honda Fit. Higher-trim models have safety features seldom found in this category. And the Accord’s price is very reasonable: $23,270 to $30,860.

#17712 of 18435 Re: Audio isue in the 2013 Accord with Hondalink [cski] by benjaminh

Mar 08, 2013 (10:10 am)

Replying to: cski (Mar 08, 2013 9:50 am)
Some 2013 Accord owners should go to their Honda dealer for a firmware update to deal with audio/navi bugs.
 
There's a TSB # available in the 9th generation forums in a sticky thread at:
 
www.driveaccord.net
 
gotta run and so can't look it up right now, but I'll try to later.

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