Last post on Dec 08, 2013 at 7:45 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17697 of 20223 Re: This just in - Honda superiority confirmed again [dieselone]
Mar 07, 2013 (12:14 pm)
Funny, my experience with Honda runs 180 degrees counter to this stellar "care" by Honda USA
I'll explain, we bought a 2006 Civic new in Oct 2005, it was my first Honda of any type. I routinely checked on TSB's for the then new Civic just to keep an eye on things. In the summer of 2006 a TSB showed up with the picture of a Civic block (front and rear) and outlined in RED were the paths two potential cracks in the block one in front and one in back. I began to see reports soon after of owners having cracking blocks which immediately dumped the coolant destroying the engines. These people were complaining that these cracks were showing up without any negative input from them i.e. running low on coolant/oil etc. Honda was denying claims left and right fixing them with new short blocks and charging the customer whatever the freight would bear ...the more they complained the more Honda would pony-up. Some paid the entire thing (around $5000), some paid different amounts depending on the level of customer complaint or Honda loyalty meaning they owned several Honda's previously. Honda actually required receipts of ALL Honda services done only at a Honda service center before even considering compensation. Thing is, this was a metalurgy or engineering issue and it continued from the 2006 through 2008 model years. No, it never happened to me BUT in January of 2011 I (and all Current Civic owners) received an "extended engine warranty" covering the cracked block problem. This after "only" 6 years of ownership. Honda finally fessed up to having a problem. Countless owners paid varying amounts to have this fixed over the years leading up to this. So, the idea of quickly addressing this particular problem on Honda's part is a joke. Kicking and screaming maybe!!
#17698 of 20223 Re: Why isn't the Buick Verano here? [cski]
Mar 07, 2013 (12:37 pm)
Verano is a compact built on the Cruze frame. The Regal is the midsize offering from Buick. IMO Buick is in no mans land...not quite luxury, not quite mainstream. The Malibu is the car that fits in this group but if want to talk Buick, it's the Regal. The Lacrosse is full size.
#17699 of 20223 Re: K&N filter info...dyno power discrepancy/Kia [cski]
Mar 07, 2013 (1:50 pm)
You may still want to step up to lux for your next car, but the 2013 Honda Accord seems to not only meet its power rating but may be underrated according to this dyno test of the 4 cylinder by temple of vtec. They take the car all the way to the electronically limited max speed of 127mph (without going anywhere, of course):
#17700 of 20223 Installed new K&N filter...found a "bonus" filter!
Mar 07, 2013 (2:51 pm)
As some of you saw, I was warned that the K & N filter may not completely protect my engine completely, or at least as well as the stock paper filter. It turns out that my Optima has a secondary hepa fine particulate filter just before air enters the engine. So, no need to worry about it. It also has a cabin filter on a secondary tube for the A/C. Can't wait to try it out tomorrow on my high speed commute.
#17701 of 20223 Re: Installed new K&N filter...found a "bonus" filter! [cski]
Mar 07, 2013 (3:05 pm)
Wouldn't a secondary filter completely negate any added airflow from the K&N?
#17702 of 20223 Re: Installed new K&N filter...found a "bonus" filter! [akirby]
Mar 07, 2013 (3:24 pm)
It seemed like it was pretty thin. I am not an engineer though. I do like the improved intake growl, and I liked the K&N 's quality construction. It is 1/4 the thickness of the bulky, stock paper filter. Like I said though, it's only $40, including shipping from Amazon. I like it, and in the end that is all that matters.
Mar 07, 2013 (3:34 pm)
The Verano is positioned as a mid - size sedan alternative. It's drivetrains, weight, pricing, and equipment are aimed squarely at the mid size market. GM calls it a Compact Luxury Sedan. If it was a true compact, then it would have the Cruze drivetrains.
#17704 of 20223 Re: This just in - Honda superiority confirmed again [xrunner2]
Mar 07, 2013 (4:08 pm)
CR's ratings were for the 80 cars they tested in the last 12 months. The 2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid finished #2, so some domestics are catching up.
#17705 of 20223 Re: This just in - Honda superiority confirmed again [b25nut]
Mar 07, 2013 (4:17 pm)
The 2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid finished #2, so some domestics are catching up.
Ford has some very good offerings in the last few years. Also of note, Ford did not have to take a government, we taxpayer, bailout as did GM and Chrysler which is now owned by a foreign company. Kind of again. Didn't Mercedes Benz buy Chrysler over 10 years ago?
#17706 of 20223 Re: VERANO [cski]
Mar 07, 2013 (7:40 pm)
No, it is not positioned as a "midsize sedan alternative". Whatever that is. It is well known if you'd care to research it that the Verano is a compact, the Regal is a midsize and the LaCrosse is full size. Look at Buicks website and do a comparison. The first car that comes up in comparison to the Verano is the Acura ILX which is built on the Civic frame. Would you consider the Civic a midsize sedan? Don't know what is so hard to grasp that the Regal is Buicks midsize entry and the Verano is Buicks compact sedan entry. It is built on the Cruze frame and is almost the same exact size as the Cruze. The wheelbase and height are exactly the same as well as some other specs.
The Buick weighs more because it has a lot more sound deadening and laminated glass. The reason the drivetrain is diffierent is to differentiate it from the Cruze and make it more of a premium car or Buick. If it was the same drivetrain everybody would just buy a loaded Cruze and that GM is badge engineering again. In fact, a lot of people that don't know any better still say that the Verano is just a fancy Cruze. I don't agree at all as I really like the Verano. But just because something is priced similarly doesn't put it automatically in the same class of car. The Ford Focus is priced very similar to many midsize cars but nobody is comparing it to a Camry.
Granted the Cruze and the Verano are both on the large side of the compact like the Sentra but they are all compact, not midsize entries.