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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Mar 05, 2013 (12:49 pm)
No such thing as a free lunch. If more useable hp couple be found for a just a few bucks the manuf. would do it in the first place.
Regarding hp numbers. I don't think Hyundai under rated. There is usually quite a large loss going from the engine to the dyno. - especially in an automatic. The VW may have been a manual (which puts more power down) and the VW 2.0 is notorious for being under rated. They don't want to compete with Audi so they under rate the engine for VW applications.
#17675 of 20238 Re: K&N [cski]
Mar 05, 2013 (12:59 pm)
Get oil on the MAF sensor and see if the mfr will replace it for you.
Mar 05, 2013 (1:08 pm)
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#17677 of 20238 This just in - Honda superiority confirmed again
Mar 05, 2013 (5:30 pm)
Latest issue of CR, April 2013, has Honda Accord at the top of mid-size sedans. This has been going on for about 3 decades. Will the American brands ever catch up, much less surpass, the Honda? Waiting, waiting, waiting. The Japanese have the superior engineering and reliability. Will the American brands, and the Italian/American brand, ever, ever catch up, surpass?
#17678 of 20238 Re: This just in - Honda superiority confirmed again [xrunner2]
Mar 05, 2013 (6:01 pm)
My dad's 09 Accord v6 has basically been a disaster. Honda is basically going to rebuild his engine for the second time in the past 12 months free of charge. He has about 90k miles on it w/o an extended warranty. He started having misfire issues at around 60k miles and Honda has only charged him $100 for the numerous repairs and has always provided a rental car.
This is his first non-domestic and he is just floored by how well Honda has handled his issues. He dropped his car off at the dealer on Monday due to the misfire issue and flashing CE light. Within an hour after dropping it off, an engineer from Honda USA was on the phone with him apologizing for the problems and explained how they were going to fix it. He never received that kind of service with Ford.
I'm willing to bet my dad will by another Honda despite the serious engine trouble he's been having with his Accord.
The new Accord really looks nice. I saw an Accord Sport the other day and thought it had a presence about it that the Accord has lacked for a long time. Good performance, good fuel economy, and decent looks inside and out. It probably would be my first choice in the family sedan segment.
#17679 of 20238 Re: This just in - Honda superiority confirmed again [dieselone]
Mar 05, 2013 (6:11 pm)
This is his first non-domestic and he is just floored by how well Honda has handled his issues.
Sorry to hear about your dad's issues, but apparently Honda has stepped up, as is usual. More than some domestic brands have done when for example car owners reported extraordinary oil consumption on their cars, such as Cadillac CTS.
I was "blown away" when we started buying Hondas in 1984. Their superior engineering and low tolerances in engine parts made for incredibly low oil consumption. Have had numerous Honda and Acura cars over 3 decades and all of them had very, very low oil consumption/burning between oil changes. Outstanding engineering not available with American brands.
#17680 of 20238 Re: This just in - Honda superiority confirmed again [xrunner2]
Mar 05, 2013 (6:26 pm)
It's obvious overall how well my dad's '09 Accord EX-L v6 is built. It definitely has a level of refinement not replicated in most vehicles in that class. Probably my only complaint would be road noise, it just isn't very quiet. The powertrain is exceptionally smooth and refined. And everything feels tight which I really like.
The problems with his engine originated with oil consumption. Which from the little research I've done could be related to the VCM system. He always took it to the same dealer for all oil changes and service. IIRC, he had an oil change around 60k. A few weeks later it started running rough and a low oil light came on. He took it to the dealer and it basically used all of its oil within 1k miles and lost compression in cylinder 3 or 5 (can't remember). That was the first tear down and partial rebuild. That was 30k miles and 12 months ago. About a month ago it started all over again. It started misfiring again with flashing CE light. Took it to the dealer and it had very little oil. They reset the ECM and advised to start using synthetic oil. That worked until this past weekend when it started missing and the CE light was flashing again.
I haven't talked to my dad, but my mom said they ordered a new new engine block. So maybe they're replacing the entire short block, I don't know for sure, but from what my mom said, it will be nearly a complete tear down. From what both of my parents have said, Honda's customer service has been exceptional and far beyond anything they've experienced with Ford or GM.
#17681 of 20238 Re: This just in - Honda superiority confirmed again [dieselone]
Mar 05, 2013 (8:28 pm)
The new Accord uses 0W-20 synthetic oil; not sure when they started that. What oil viscosity was in your Dad's 2009 Accord V-6?
#17682 of 20238 Re: This just in - Honda superiority confirmed again [trusso69]
Mar 05, 2013 (9:06 pm)
I think it's 5w20, but I don't believe synthetic was recommended originally. The dealer switched him to synthetic a month or so ago saying that honda recommends it now.
#17683 of 20238 Re: This just in - Honda superiority confirmed again [dieselone]
Mar 05, 2013 (11:46 pm)
I'd switch back to a 5w20. Preferably a high-mileage oil as it has higher levels of zinc and other anti-wear additives. (Castrol GTX/High mileage) is a good choice, IMO.
I started learning about oils about 7 or 8 years ago when I had an engine in my 60s Mercedes eat itself within six months of the EPA mandating lower levels of additives in oils. And it's gotten worse since then. This is all due to rules concerning catalytic converters and warranties on them. The additives protect your engines very very well, but they also are death to a catalytic converter. When oils were at the older 1600ppm standard, almost nobody's CAT would last close to 100K miles. So they lowered it to 1200ppm and more of them are making it to 100K. Soon it will be 800ppm or lower as they are aiming for mandating lifetime durability.
So your CAT lasts for the life of the car. Too bad your engine won't.
Note - oils sold in other countries don't follow this idiocy. It's why you rarely hear of engines dying from oil related issues overseas. a CAT is cheap to replace compared to the entire block.