Last post on May 23, 2013 at 7:57 AM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17629 of 18211 Re: 2014 Mazda6 vs. 2013 Honda Accord [igozoomzoom]
Feb 25, 2013 (4:18 pm)
I wouldn't mind checking out the whatever is selling the best, and the 2.5 would be the right engine to compare the Maz6, Accord, and Optima EX $25k models.
On the Mazda I want to drive the 2.5i Touring of course. I need to see how much black plastic is in it compared to mine. I like the Instrument panel on the Mazda in the pictures. I really want to see if I like the way it looks in person too. Not sold on the grill.
As I have said before a family member works for Mazda so I will just go over there and ask for one for the day.
#17630 of 18211 I just bought a Fusion with 2.0
Feb 26, 2013 (7:34 pm)
I think it's going to be a great car. Before that I test drove the AWD version of the same car, and it felt sluggish. They probably take a long time to break in.
I had a 07 Fusion AWD until a couple of years ago and it was the same way.
#17631 of 18211 Re: I just bought a Fusion with 2.0 [explorerx4]
Feb 26, 2013 (9:55 pm)
You will absolutely love it, once the engine is broken in, and you can start really driving it. I just got mine past the 1000 mile mark, and now that I can fully experience what it can do, I just love it even more and am finding more excuses to drive it more aggressively. Its usual quiet purring becomes a very satisfying growl when you gun it and kick the turbo boost in! I was just driving it like grandpa going to church, just waiting to get it past the green light for going balls out, and finding out what it's capable of, and now that I know, it's a total blast!
#17632 of 18211 2014 Mazda 6 Skyactiv 2.5
Feb 27, 2013 (12:31 pm)
I went over to Mazda. Drove it, loved it. It was fully loaded and the fit/finish was excellent. I was very lucky to get any seat time at all, and what I did get was in Tyson's Corner gridlock. I hate driving there.
I got her up to 50 mph, and did a few full throttle stoplight to stoplight acceleration runs, and there is good power down low. I did notice that there was a lot of black plastic, but it was of high quality.
The sticker was $28k, for the Touring i model with leather and heated seats. Don't count on negotiating a deal until dealers are fully stocked. The demo I drove was not for sale....it was there just to garner pre-orders. So, don't run over to Mazda with a wad of cash till April.
What everyone was really excited about was the new Skyactiv D - 2.2 liter Diesel, which will have 175 HP and 310 lb ft torque. Now, what is really cool is that it has a 14.1 compression ratio (super low for a compression burn engine), so it will rev more like a gas engine.
The bottom line is that the new diesel will finally enable Mazda to wage war with Americas only successful line of Diesel compact and mid-size sedan products.... Volkswagen TDI .
#17633 of 18211 '13 Fusion Frustrations...
Feb 27, 2013 (3:11 pm)
Well I was recently contacted by a Ford customer service representative who firmly explained to me through two phone conversations that my understanding of a 16.5 gallon tank holding 16.5 gallons is wrong and that filling to 12 gallons when the fuel light comes on is what it was designed for and what I should expect. She explained that there is 1 gallon reserved for vapor (huh?) and 2 gallons of reserve. She was so incredulous that I would question this issue that she didn't bother to notice that 12+2+1 still comes up 1.5 gallons short of the published capacity but what the heck do I know? Perhaps Ford should start using the term "usable capacity" in their specifications. In the next model year, they are going to have a back seat with the capacity to fit four people but you will only be able to actually fit two. The upside is you'll actually be able to prove or disprove this before you leave the dealership.
While this may seem trivial to some, if you drive long distances it becomes a nuisance - especially in the northern plain states where there is a lot of empty space. I've lost close to 1/3 of travel range for a tank of gas because of this compared to what I previously drove (and still considered buying another of).
And to those who use a relatively current iPhone (4, 4S - can't speak to 5 but it runs the same iOS) and are thinking about using Sync - forget it. My $50 Plantronics M50 Bluetooth earpiece connects to the iPhone in seconds and is rock solid with answering and ending calls. Pairing the iPhone with Sync creates a lot of lag that interferes with most everything else Sync does. Not having the iPhone paired with Sync allows the Sync system to operate extremely well but you of course lose one of the things you maybe purchased the car for - hands-free/device-free Bluetooth. Why they can't provide the equivalent functionality I have in the tiny Bluetooth earpiece in the very impressive Sync system is beyond me.
Feb 27, 2013 (3:24 pm)
You can keep driving after the light comes on. My accord light comes on with about 3.5 gallons left. I can still drive 100 miles then fill up and put in 16 or so gallons on a 17.1 gallon tank. Best tank is 670 miles on my 2007.
Have not had my 2013 out on a highway trip yet but it is getting better mpg than the '07 on similar trips. Should be able to hit 700 miles.
#17635 of 18211 Re: '13 Fusion Frustrations... [fury63]
Feb 27, 2013 (4:14 pm)
While this may seem trivial to some, if you drive long distances it becomes a nuisance - especially in the northern plain states where there is a lot of empty space.
I hear ya. One of the things I look for when doing comparisons for a future purchase is range on a tank. This is for two reasons. One, like you, I like to fill up less frequently when on a trip of length. Two, the fewer number of times I have to fill up in the dead of winter the better. Seems all the manufacturers have reduced their tank size. I'm sure it's to save a few pounds which probably equates to .05 better mpg and they must figure since they have increased MPG overall that people won't care because, after all, they are still getting the same supposed range as before. For awhile the Altima still kept it's 20 gal tank and could get 34-35 on the hwy. That was some range. Now I see they have reduced to tank size to 18 or less.
I agree that it would be nice if there was a "usable capacity" amount that could be referenced. When they reserve 2 gals for this and a gal for that it affects a smaller capacity tank more than it affects a larger tank as a percentage.
#17636 of 18211 Re: '13 Fusion Frustrations... [m6user]
Feb 27, 2013 (7:59 pm)
That's just because the engineers haven't identified the problem with the fuel tanks so there is nothing "official" to report yet. There is something wrong - either a baffle problem or the wrong tank. One person was getting 12 gallons and after replacing the tank was able to put in at least 14 gallons on E.
I have a 2013 Fusion with MFT and an iPhone 5 and have never had a single problem with the phone pairing or not pairing or messing up anything else. It's either a bad phone, bad software (3.5.1 is the latest version) or a bad APIM in the car. It's not a flaw with sync or MFT.
#17637 of 18211 Re: '13 Fusion Frustrations... [akirby]
Feb 27, 2013 (9:20 pm)
Thats encouraging to hear. I suppose I can try it with my wife's 4S to see if its a bad phone. But seeing how it works well with other Bluetooth devices (Plantronics & Jawbone) my guess is it isn't the phone. Kirby you seem tied into Ford, what do you recommend I do? My dealer doesn't seem too willing to dive into the BT issue. It becomes a finger pointing exercise. I appreciate the help.
#17638 of 18211 Re: - [dudleyr]
Feb 27, 2013 (9:25 pm)
Ford recommended I do not drive far after the light comes on. That's when we got into the "well is there 2 more gallons in there or not?" discussion. I came away with the impression they are virtual.