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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17583 of 18220 Re: Honda CVT shudder/hesitation [gene84]
Feb 20, 2013 (12:10 pm)
1983? Seriously? GM was crap back then and we all know it. But their automatics are the most reliable currently. The cars themselves are uninspiring Toyota-level vanilla rental fodder, though, so it's a bit like a deal with The Devil. You get immortality but you're stuck being a tree or something equally unappealing.
#17584 of 18220 Re: Honda CVT shudder/hesitation [plekto]
Feb 20, 2013 (1:24 pm)
I agree. We are here to talk about recent model midsize sedans we let the Odyssey go because we were talking about Honda transmissions, but now that is over. Let's get back on topic. There are only a few of us that share, but many people come here and make serious decisions about whether or not to buy a specific new car.
#17585 of 18220 Re: Honda CVT shudder/hesitation [cski]
by kirstie_h HOST
Feb 20, 2013 (3:07 pm)
Good call - thanks for doing my job for free!
#17586 of 18220 Re: pirelli? [pegasus17]
Feb 20, 2013 (3:14 pm)
I replaced my original set of Michelans on my 2009 Fusion SEL V6 about 15,000 miles ago with the Continental Extreme Contact DWS. I was looking for a good All Season Tire that would give me decent traction in the snow and would handle nearly as well as the Michelans. Plus I didn't want to break the bank and to replace the Michelans was going to be $260 mounted, balanced, and tax each. I got the Continentals through my Ford dealer because Ford guarantees they will beat any other local tire price. I spent $690 for the set OTD. I highly recommend these tires. They ride and handle just as well as the Michelans plus are very good in the snow. The Michelans were terrible in the snow since they were considered a summer performance tire.
#17588 of 18220 Re: pirelli? [mtnman1]
Feb 21, 2013 (9:26 am)
How many miles did you get out of your Michelin's? I am hoping to get 25-30k out of my stock tires..... I can't wait to see how much of a difference it will make to go with Michelin Pilot or the Continentals you mentioned. My choice will be depending on price, and after getting more data on real-world wear. Also, my car's stability control can't be completely shut off (but traction control can), so paying for a tire that can handle .96 g of lateral grip on a car whose computer ends the fun at .83 is a waste of $. Pirelli is really my 3rd choice; now that I think about it! $690 is a good deal. Since you have the V6 Fusion SEL, I assume you have 17" tires.....possibly 215/55/17 94-V? That is my size as well.
#17589 of 18220 Re: pirelli? [cski]
Feb 21, 2013 (9:39 am)
so paying for a tire that can handle .96 g of lateral grip on a car whose computer ends the fun at .83 is a waste of $
I thought the computer safety nannies jumped in AFTER any slip is detected. So upgrading the tires should give you more 'play' room.
On my previous RWD car if I hammered it like a maniac it would intervene after a slight chirp and wiggle of the rear end. Similarly it intervened at much lower speeds when it was wet out side...because it detected the tire slip situation.
I think if it were just looking at your g's you'd end up spinning out of control on slippery surfaces.
#17590 of 18220 Re: pirelli? [cski]
Feb 21, 2013 (5:32 pm)
I had 35,500 miles on my odometer when the new were put on. I think I could have gotten another 5K out of the Michelans but it was January of 2012 and I feared going into the snowiest time of the winter here with tires that were crappy in the snow when new. My tire size is 225/50ZR17. By the way my Fusion has been a great vehicle. How do you feel about yours?
#17591 of 18220 Lateral G's/stability control/traction control
Feb 21, 2013 (5:56 pm)
On the Optima it has a lateral G sensor, as do all stability control programs. When the system detects .82 of lateral G, it commands the system to apply the brakes, killing the fun. .96 lat/g tires are a waste of money. Stability control (helps) keep your average idiot from killing his family entering a corner with too much speed.
You are confusing stability control with AWD, which adjusts to an ACTUAL loss of grip. Then we enter the world of locking diff's as well.
I can turn off the traction control completely though...so I can do hella burn outs.
#17592 of 18220 Re: Lateral G's/stability control/traction control [cski]
Feb 21, 2013 (6:56 pm)
Ford's stability control does not measure G forces. It measures yaw rate with several sensors including steering. It will not kick in until the vehicle actually understeers or oversteers so the better the tires the higher the Gs.