Last post on May 23, 2013 at 3:51 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17556 of 18218 Re: Actual 2013 Nissan Altima CVT video..... [bb49]
Feb 18, 2013 (9:40 pm)
I own a 2001 Odyssey and have had to replace the transmission 3 times already
When I was getting my transmission rebuilt (actual rebuilder since it was a special model GM car), it turns out that this guy also was the best rebuilder in the country for Hondas and where all of the dealerships in Southern California were sending their work to.
Long story short. In Japan, the Odyssey is sold with a 4 cylinder engine only. When they brought it to the U.S., they put a V6 in it, but they didn't re-design the transmission since it was within spec.
But add fat Americans (relative to Japanese people), heavy loads, quick starts and MUCH faster driving than in Japan and the clutch packs simply burn themselves out due to not being able to handle the extra torque and weight. Evidently according to him, this affects almost all 6 cylinder cars from Honda as it's a major cost to design a brand new transmission for a V6 which only gets sold in the U.S. The Odyssey is a definite "don't even consider buying it" according to him. As in sell it before it fails again.
The CVT, he's not a fan of.(well, he makes good money off of them... just saying...) Shocker. New untested technology. Who would have guessed?
The skinny on Honda? Manual or 4 cylinder only.
#17557 of 18218 Re: Motorweek comparison test [m6user]
Feb 19, 2013 (1:38 am)
I see your point
I remember borrowing an 89 Civic Si from a relative to drive some friends...everyone was amazed at how fast it was; 0-60 in mid 8's
btw...very fun to drive
#17558 of 18218 Re: Motorweek comparison test [ivan_99]
Feb 19, 2013 (3:40 am)
I had a 94 Integra, and 142 HP was awesome at the time for that size engine.
It handled like it was on rails. My 6'2" frame fit great in the Integra, but not in my brother-in-laws 94 Civic EX. Funny, since the the 94 Integra IS a Civic.
#17559 of 18218 Re: Optima blind spots. [bb49]
Feb 19, 2013 (7:49 am)
You are absolutely right. Most people incorrectly adjst their side mirrors so that they can see the side of their car in the mirror. They should be adjusted so that as soon as the car in back begins to disappear from the rear view mirror it immediately appears in the side mirror. Also, a quick glance over your shoulder for good measure does not hurt.
#17560 of 18218 Re: Actual 2013 Nissan Altima CVT video..... [plekto]
Feb 19, 2013 (9:14 am)
What about Acura with all the V6s they use? Haven't heard about a lot of transmission problems there. Do they use an entirely different tranny than Honda uses in the Accord/Odyssey/Pilot? Why don't they just use the Acura tranny if that can handle the 300+ HP of the TL SHAWD and the MDX?
#17561 of 18218 Re: Optima blind spots. [gregg_vw]
Feb 19, 2013 (9:26 am)
Yes, all these people that complain about blind spots and ghost cars make me laugh. How do they think all the cargo van and truck drivers avoid accidents? They can't see a lick out the back on either side. They use their mirrors correctly. The only time they can't see a car behind is if it's right on their bumper. That's why they have a little sigh on the back that says something like "if you can't see my mirrors I can't see you". Reversely, if you can see their mirror they CAN see you. Why? Because they have the damn things adjusted correctly. If you do there are no blind spots.
I have a friend who didn't have their mirrors adjusted correctly but they were so stubborn they just wouldn't believe they "weren't doing it right". I stood outside their car about where a car on the left would be passing and stood where the drivers side bumper would be approximately just as it would disappear from the rear view mirror. I told them to look in their side mirror and they couldn't see a thing but the side of their car. Had him adjust the mirror out, and out, and out some more until they could see me standing there. I told him that is where your mirror should be adjusted. His response, "well I can't see the side of my car now". I said why the hell do you want to see the side of YOUR car, do you have some sort of fetish or something? You want to see lane next to you. Same goes for the other side of the car. He is finally a convert.
#17562 of 18218 Re: Why not this deal? [backy]
Feb 19, 2013 (10:18 am)
This is what I paid on 12/28/11 for my car.
2012 Optima EX MSRP: 24,260.
Negotiated $21,860, plus $1000 to extend basic powertrain 100k warranty to 100k bumper to bumper.
SO $22,860 with leather, zebrano wood, and all the goodies except heated seats, power pass seat, and Navi. Added $100 Garmin from Best Buy.
-Dealer included all weather floor mats on top of the carpeted ones already included
-Rubber/plastic trunk tray
Added Lojack $500.
Dealer paperwork/ doc-prep $250.
zero down or trade (sold my Jeep outright)
60 mos X 4.5% financing and 4.5% tax = $2110 + 23710 = $25,820 Total of Payments
monthly payment = $432 mo.
The VA tax was $1055. My rate of 4.5% and the tax rate of also 4.5% was a coincidence.
#17563 of 18218 Re: Actual 2013 Nissan Altima CVT video..... [m6user]
Feb 19, 2013 (10:21 am)
As I mentioned, the 4 cylinder transmission design can handle normal driving with a V6. It's when you add in 6+ people and/or cargo that things go bad. Since almost all Acuras only have 3 or 4 people in them at most and aren't carrying cargo, Honda manages to get away with it without a redesign.
Also, most of the minivans and SUVs are 500-1000lbs heavier than a typical sedan. The fact remains that Honda transmissions fail a lot more than their competition if you have a vehicle with a V6 in it.
IME, though, Honda manuals are almost video game easy to drive and the performance of an Accord or similar with a manual and a 4 cylinder engine is the same as with a V6 and automatic in actual driving around town. Loads less to break and less money spent.
#17564 of 18218 Re: Actual 2013 Nissan Altima CVT video..... [plekto]
Feb 19, 2013 (10:31 am)
In case you didn't know it the MDX is a SUV and has over 300hp and can seat 7 people and I'm sure they are loaded to gills at times. Since they have the SHAWD I'm sure they are also driven hard by many owners. The transmission should at least be built to withstand the rigors of the weight capacity of the vehicle. I haven't heard of any major problems with the MDX which probably weighs close to the Odyssey as well.
I realize that Honda and Acura if I recall had some problems with transmissions in the early 2000s from like 2011-2003 but haven't had any major issue since then so this may be an old problem that you are "warning" people about.
#17565 of 18218 Mazda6 and Lincoln MKZ
Feb 19, 2013 (10:57 am)
Hey guys. Have you all seen the new Lincoln MKZ? I know this is mid-size sedans, but we all know that it's a Fusion underneath. The last MKZ was almost stupidly half-a**, but this one is something else. It deserves the Lincoln name, and I hope Ford can pull off it's new "Lincoln Motor Company" strategy.
Here is a link to C/D first drive. I love it. Make mine black and it looks like a modern bat-mobile.
Also, read the full review of the 2014 Mazda6. I like it. It looks great in red and the instrument cluster is very BMW looking. Also, the side view reminds me of the Monte-Carlo's of '75-'85...in a good way.