Last post on Jun 19, 2013 at 12:40 AM
You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17548 of 18436 Re: Back to midsize sedans [benjaminh]
Feb 18, 2013 (2:04 pm)
Well that's a totally different issue.
#17549 of 18436 Re: Why not this deal? [backy]
Feb 18, 2013 (2:09 pm)
I currently drive a 2011 Sonata GLS and the lease is up in 2 months. I drove the Accord and this particular Camry (back to back) and was surprised that the Camry SE with the 18 inch wheels and lower profile tires did not have a harsh ride. The deal is sweet but the downsides were enough to keep me shopping.
BTW, the lease deals on the Accord are 255 LX, 284 EX with first and fees down here in OH. Still no cash incentives from honda and the Sport model of the Accord is the prime seller. Time is still on my side for a little while...
#17550 of 18436 Re: Motorweek comparison test [backy]
Feb 18, 2013 (4:15 pm)
I got the point
I loved the 88 accord too.
My point was it was 800 lbs lighter (2500 lbs). So in the 'olden' days 98hp adequate.
You 'need' more now with heavier vehicles; more hp, more gears etc. 98hp in the current Accord would be like adding 800lbs in the 88 Accord...a show stopper.
"Need" is very subjective when automobiles are involved; I too have been guilty of "need"...But recently I explicitly looked for a 4cyl in my current vehicle...bypassing the V6. After many years stuck in traffic in 300+hp cars I figured what's the point
#17551 of 18436 Re: Back to midsize sedans [cski]
Feb 18, 2013 (4:46 pm)
Geography can be an issue. But Minneapolis has its fair share of traffic too - especially when you work downtown and live in the 'burbs. My current commute after a recent move is a cinch - about 10 minutes. But my old commute across the metro was 45 minutes to 2+ hours, depending on traffic and weather. And I had a stick (and still didn't want an automatic). Yes, having to operate a clutch can be constant in heavy traffic, but I never really thought of it as a form of torture.
Automatics, on the other hand, are a form of torture (in my opinion - we can agree to disagree). And the more speeds they have, the worse the torture (I actually prefer CVTs to traditional planetary gearset transmissions when it comes to modern automatics). It seems like whenever I'm in a rental, the thing's never in the right gear in traffic. Modern automatics upshift way too early (indeed I understand it saves fuel) and when you turn a corner and hit the gas, there's always that moment of pause (during which I admittedly have a tendency to punch the accelerator ) before it kicks down a couple of gears and rockets forward. Annoying.
I've had salespeople tell me that transmission electronics can predict my behavior. I kindly disagree. And then invariably they tell me their transmission can predict my behavior. Whatever.
I just like manuals and the days of manuals are going away. I've got plenty of years ahead of me to drive automatics. Eventually, we'll all be forced to. I just want to enjoy that extra control behind the wheel while I still can.
#17552 of 18436 Re: Motorweek comparison test [ivan_99]
Feb 18, 2013 (5:09 pm)
No, I think you're still missing his point. IMO his point is that back in the day we thought 9-11secs or more to 60mph in a economy car was just fine. Now we complain if it's over 7 secs. Everyone knows cars have gotten heavier due to general size, crash safety standards and add equipment. But the HP has way more than kept pace with weight gains. Don't get me wrong, I like the pep just fine. But the point was our expectations of how fast a car is has changed. We would not be satisfied with todays cars with just enough hp to go 0-60 in 9-11secs.
Heck, a 1982 Accord LX took almost 13 secs 0-60mph. Don't think that would go over too well today.
#17553 of 18436 Re: Motorweek comparison test [m6user]
Feb 18, 2013 (5:17 pm)
#17554 of 18436 Re: Motorweek comparison test [backy]
Feb 18, 2013 (8:27 pm)
My first car was a 1969 VW Bus. 0-60 in c. 22 seconds. I'm not kidding.
Today my 2008 Honda Accord 4 cylinder 5 MT is considered somewhat slow, but it gets to 60 in somewhere around 8.5 seconds.
#17555 of 18436 Re: Motorweek comparison test [benjaminh]
Feb 18, 2013 (9:01 pm)
And here I thought the VW Bus was... a bus! Come to find out it's a mid-sized sedan!
Who is it who considers your 2008 Accord "somewhat slow"? You? Or the guys at C/D who drag race their V6 Accords, using launching techniques that are clearly "do not attempt this at home"?
#17556 of 18436 Re: Actual 2013 Nissan Altima CVT video..... [bb49]
Feb 18, 2013 (9:40 pm)
I own a 2001 Odyssey and have had to replace the transmission 3 times already
When I was getting my transmission rebuilt (actual rebuilder since it was a special model GM car), it turns out that this guy also was the best rebuilder in the country for Hondas and where all of the dealerships in Southern California were sending their work to.
Long story short. In Japan, the Odyssey is sold with a 4 cylinder engine only. When they brought it to the U.S., they put a V6 in it, but they didn't re-design the transmission since it was within spec.
But add fat Americans (relative to Japanese people), heavy loads, quick starts and MUCH faster driving than in Japan and the clutch packs simply burn themselves out due to not being able to handle the extra torque and weight. Evidently according to him, this affects almost all 6 cylinder cars from Honda as it's a major cost to design a brand new transmission for a V6 which only gets sold in the U.S. The Odyssey is a definite "don't even consider buying it" according to him. As in sell it before it fails again.
The CVT, he's not a fan of.(well, he makes good money off of them... just saying...) Shocker. New untested technology. Who would have guessed?
The skinny on Honda? Manual or 4 cylinder only.
#17557 of 18436 Re: Motorweek comparison test [m6user]
Feb 19, 2013 (1:38 am)
I see your point
I remember borrowing an 89 Civic Si from a relative to drive some friends...everyone was amazed at how fast it was; 0-60 in mid 8's
btw...very fun to drive