Last post on Dec 09, 2013 at 7:13 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Feb 14, 2013 (4:00 pm)
Thank you M6user for your experience : (Quote: I have a 2007 Mazda6 with over 90k miles and not a spot of rust. If you think I am anal about keeping it clean...think again. I rarely wash it in the winter and wax it about every other year. Chicagoland winters aren't easy on cars finishes either. There were some problems with the early Proteges if I recall but that was quite some time ago.) 5+ years with no rust in the Midwest with similar non-obsessive washing/detailing habits. This gives a good indication Mazda has addressed the issue.
Hopefully the new high tensile alloy metals are even better.
Granted every auto maker has some major trouble. Toyota has the the most recalls ever yet they still outsell everyone. Carry on....
#17497 of 20237 Re: Back to midsize sedans [benjaminh]
Feb 14, 2013 (5:04 pm)
Accord equal in style to the Mazda6, Fusion, and Optima? Well, ok... everyone is entitled to his opinion.
IMO the Accord should be ranked just above the Camry... at the BOTTOM of the "style" list. Maybe tied with the Passat. And I'd add the Sonata to the top group on style. It's a polarizing style, but... it's style.
A lot of the other categories are objective. But for "best bang for the buck", I'd put the Accord at the bottom of the list, with the top being maybe the Optima, followed closely by the Sonata and Passat. That one depends a lot on the current incentives picture though.
As for lowest maintenance costs... I think the cars with the long warranties have a decided advantage there. But it also depends on dealer practices, e.g. do they offer free oil changes and/or free extended warranties?
#17498 of 20237 Re:Honda trannies [pegasus17]
Feb 15, 2013 (8:23 am)
And this to do with cars how?
Way to make an enemy, Peggy.
#17499 of 20237 Re: Mazda Rust [tundradweller1]
Feb 15, 2013 (8:27 am)
Hilarious, your first post left the impression that you were looking for feedback.
Sorry I wasted my time.
Way to ingratiate yourself. But there were far far far more worthy candidates..oh well..
#17501 of 20237 Re: Back to midsize sedans [benjaminh]
Feb 15, 2013 (8:49 am)
This is actually a pretty worthy list, Benjamin. IMO, though, basically even your very first items are also potentially subjective, since we know that some autos aren't that close to their EPA. Acceleration too, in that not everyone does 0-60 blasts. Sometimes they might prefer a quick boot from 45 to 65 or whatever. And then the numbers might be shaken up a bit.
I got a chuckle out of the best glove box light question. Regardless of how much so-called content Honda may have re-inserted back into the car, I still consider this penny-pinching tactic, a glaring omission. In my mind that type of cost-cutting makes me wonder where else Honda has crunched such ridiculousness. Just think of the possibilities..."If we chop 3/8" of length off every wire on every harness we can save x $ on our production. No matter that harnesses pulled and stressed to their limit..for the few failures we may have to wty, we'll clean up on this move in the end. Plus, just think of the quick go-to fixes our service shops can do well outta wty, since we'll already have a shortcut to the problem areas".
Or whatever, pick your own example..
For my interests, if most of these cars are relatively equal, I put exterior aesthetics aside, and place visibility out of the car as a priority. When operating any machinery in which there is constant interactivity, being able to see around you easily, is a stress reducer. Makes you safer too and can make crash worthiness less of an issue. Interestingly, Honda scores best in both these regards. If I recall, I think the low belt line was one of the characteristics of Honda's Civic that contributed to their popularity back in the good old days. Nowadays crash standards have us all sitting in a bucket it seems.
#17503 of 20237 Enough with the personal comments...
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Feb 15, 2013 (9:02 am)
Take it outside if you want to throw personal insults. Our forums are available to talk about cars, not other members.
#17504 of 20237 Re: Back to midsize sedans [backy]
Feb 15, 2013 (10:54 am)
You know, in defense of Honda; I think the new model is WAY better than the last three. It looks well built and classy. I like it's lines and am happy that Honda turned things around. I would have bought the EX if it had a 6 speed automatic instead of a CVT. However, I was ready to buy in December 2011..and the Optima was the best deal in town at that time IMO.
It's nothing personal...I am just not ready to take home a CVT.
Looking back a few years though, and I am amazed that Honda survived the 2003-2007 model years.
That Buick looking jelly bean on-wheels 2003-05 had no style whatsoever. Even the fully loaded EX-L V6 was white toast on wheels. Honda responded to sagging sales by slightly changing the rear fascia with equally boring triangle taillights for the 2006-07 model. Then relief came with the 2008, but only just so.
So, to me the new design is a revelation in comparison. Also, Honda has made the rear view camera standard on all models, and it is the ONE OPTION I regret not getting. (you guys know I bi*** about the Optima blind spot).
Anyway, happy presidents day weekend guys/gal's. I am gonna go wash my car
#17505 of 20237 Re: the 2.5 doesn't deserve the critical comparo remarks it seems to be getting [gimmestdtranny]
Feb 15, 2013 (11:22 am)
What? No one is condemning the 5 cyl WV Passat. It's a good car. Very good.
The Passat SE and the Optima EX cost near as makes no difference $24,000.
I can tell you from experience that VW parts are VERY expensive. The 100,000 mile warranty on my Optima is very comforting, almost as much as the soulful growl of my dual exhaust. To each his own.