Last post on Dec 13, 2013 at 6:50 AM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17492 of 20244 Re: Mazda Rust [gimmestdtranny]
Feb 14, 2013 (11:32 am)
Don't know what you mean by back-paddling as I haven't changed my position or my statements. I guess we can agree that the rust problem for Mazda was 10 years ago and hasn't been an issue with any Mazda models since that time. Is that fair?
It's just like saying that Honda had some tranny problems during the same time frame but hasn't had any significant problems with their trannies since.
#17493 of 20244 Re:Honda trannies
Feb 14, 2013 (12:05 pm)
The PC term is LGBT..................lol
#17494 of 20244 Re:Honda trannies [pegasus17]
Feb 14, 2013 (12:10 pm)
Had to look that one up. Good one!
#17495 of 20244 Back to midsize sedans
Feb 14, 2013 (1:01 pm)
Which cars do you think are the best in class in these categories? Some of them are factual, in that you can just say a particular car has the highest EPA # or acceleration, but others are subjective such as:
Best style: Fusion, Mazda6, Optima, Accord (to me I'd put all those as equal, although I know most others don't like the Accord as much).
Best mpg: Altima (31 combined mpg), Accord (30), Mazda6 (30), Optima (28), Fusion (28)
Best acceleration: believe the Accord wins this one for both 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder models, but I'd have to look it up...
Best reliability & quality: ?
Best safety: Accord for now, according to IIHS
Most bang for the buck: ?
Best visibility: Accord
Best dealers: ?
Best resale value: ?
Lowest maintenance costs: ?
Best handling: ?
Best braking: ?
Best paint colors: ?
Best seats: ?
Most interior room: ?
Biggest trunk: ?
Best glove box light: Not the Accord is all I know. Do the others have one?
Best interior storage: again, not the Accord, but I don't know which one is best for this.
Feb 14, 2013 (4:00 pm)
Thank you M6user for your experience : (Quote: I have a 2007 Mazda6 with over 90k miles and not a spot of rust. If you think I am anal about keeping it clean...think again. I rarely wash it in the winter and wax it about every other year. Chicagoland winters aren't easy on cars finishes either. There were some problems with the early Proteges if I recall but that was quite some time ago.) 5+ years with no rust in the Midwest with similar non-obsessive washing/detailing habits. This gives a good indication Mazda has addressed the issue.
Hopefully the new high tensile alloy metals are even better.
Granted every auto maker has some major trouble. Toyota has the the most recalls ever yet they still outsell everyone. Carry on....
#17497 of 20244 Re: Back to midsize sedans [benjaminh]
Feb 14, 2013 (5:04 pm)
Accord equal in style to the Mazda6, Fusion, and Optima? Well, ok... everyone is entitled to his opinion.
IMO the Accord should be ranked just above the Camry... at the BOTTOM of the "style" list. Maybe tied with the Passat. And I'd add the Sonata to the top group on style. It's a polarizing style, but... it's style.
A lot of the other categories are objective. But for "best bang for the buck", I'd put the Accord at the bottom of the list, with the top being maybe the Optima, followed closely by the Sonata and Passat. That one depends a lot on the current incentives picture though.
As for lowest maintenance costs... I think the cars with the long warranties have a decided advantage there. But it also depends on dealer practices, e.g. do they offer free oil changes and/or free extended warranties?
#17498 of 20244 Re:Honda trannies [pegasus17]
Feb 15, 2013 (8:23 am)
And this to do with cars how?
Way to make an enemy, Peggy.
#17499 of 20244 Re: Mazda Rust [tundradweller1]
Feb 15, 2013 (8:27 am)
Hilarious, your first post left the impression that you were looking for feedback.
Sorry I wasted my time.
Way to ingratiate yourself. But there were far far far more worthy candidates..oh well..
#17501 of 20244 Re: Back to midsize sedans [benjaminh]
Feb 15, 2013 (8:49 am)
This is actually a pretty worthy list, Benjamin. IMO, though, basically even your very first items are also potentially subjective, since we know that some autos aren't that close to their EPA. Acceleration too, in that not everyone does 0-60 blasts. Sometimes they might prefer a quick boot from 45 to 65 or whatever. And then the numbers might be shaken up a bit.
I got a chuckle out of the best glove box light question. Regardless of how much so-called content Honda may have re-inserted back into the car, I still consider this penny-pinching tactic, a glaring omission. In my mind that type of cost-cutting makes me wonder where else Honda has crunched such ridiculousness. Just think of the possibilities..."If we chop 3/8" of length off every wire on every harness we can save x $ on our production. No matter that harnesses pulled and stressed to their limit..for the few failures we may have to wty, we'll clean up on this move in the end. Plus, just think of the quick go-to fixes our service shops can do well outta wty, since we'll already have a shortcut to the problem areas".
Or whatever, pick your own example..
For my interests, if most of these cars are relatively equal, I put exterior aesthetics aside, and place visibility out of the car as a priority. When operating any machinery in which there is constant interactivity, being able to see around you easily, is a stress reducer. Makes you safer too and can make crash worthiness less of an issue. Interestingly, Honda scores best in both these regards. If I recall, I think the low belt line was one of the characteristics of Honda's Civic that contributed to their popularity back in the good old days. Nowadays crash standards have us all sitting in a bucket it seems.