Last post on Dec 03, 2013 at 4:29 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17486 of 20187 Re: Mazda Rust [tundradweller1]
Feb 14, 2013 (8:30 am)
I believe this to be an old problem with Mazda that hasn't been the case for many years. Early Hondas used to be rust buckets too and if people stopped buying them where would they be now. I have a 2007 Mazda6 with over 90k miles and not a spot of rust. If you think I am anal about keeping it clean...think again. I rarely wash it in the winter and wax it about every other year. Chicagoland winters aren't easy on cars finishes either. There were some problems with the early Proteges if I recall but that was quite some time ago. Early Hyundai/Kia products were junk too. They got their act together. I believe Mazda has done the same. IMO every manufacturer of midsize cars has increased their quality during the past 12 years. If one bought on experience from 12 years ago nobody would be buying the Fusion, Sonata, Optima, Passat, or others. They have all improved greatly.
#17487 of 20187 Re: Mazda Rust [m6user]
Feb 14, 2013 (8:56 am)
Mazda most certainly did have an issue, from about 2002 to apprx 2006?
This has been discussed before and always the same old things are said, but in doing so, does not negate the fact that Mazda did have a problem and they also alienated many customers by not taking responsibility for the KNOWN defect, be it the use of poorly or non-galvanized metal. The rust issues around the wheel wells were so severe that you can't just blame it on poor paint or prep.
Honda (nor any other competing brand during those years) had this issue, so not sure why you singled it out. You may not have had trouble with your 07 but that doesn't mean that it took Mazda 5 years to address it, thereby causing all those owner's with MY's older than yours to be victims of premature lost value in their cars. It's a pretty sensitive issue that people are going to defend if need be.
#17488 of 20187 Re: Mazda Rust [gimmestdtranny]
Feb 14, 2013 (9:50 am)
Did I not say they had an issue? I can't comment on how they handled it because I wasn't intimately involved in it. The early Hondas were a joke in the 70s and early 80s and the issues with rust they had. Maybe they handled it better than Mazda did. Companies make mistakes. Maybe we should all go over to the Audi forums and warn people not to buy Audis because they once had a bad problem with unintended acceleration and they didn't handle it very good at the outset. Or over to Toyota because of their recent recalls and Hondas for their tranny problems about 9 years ago, or Nissan for their early CVT problems. Things do change and companies do correct problems.
CR shows better then average results for the Mazda3(successor to the Protege) for body integrity and paint etc since 2005. That is over 8 years.
#17489 of 20187 Re: Mazda Rust [m6user]
Feb 14, 2013 (10:09 am)
I really wish you had owned a 2002 Protege 5. Pretty sure it would have faltered your present day undying loyalty to the brand. It is only human nature to sometimes have to feel the actual heat in order to know they were burned.
And not sure why you are bringing up a time period 43 years ago? lol
But since you went there, I'll try to accommodate it. In any event it didn't help any point you were trying to make regarding poorly built vehicles in the last decade. This was a relatively short time ago using your multiple decade example, during a time period in which the ONLY brand that had this rust issue was Mazda. That pretty much puts the focus on them. Even poorly designed/built non-galvanized Kia's of the time didn't have the so obvious issue that Mazda did.
#17490 of 20187 Re: Mazda Rust [gimmestdtranny]
Feb 14, 2013 (10:29 am)
I get it, you absolutely hate Mazda and have an undying vendetta against them. That's fine. I really am not an undyingly loyalist or hater of any brand. I have one Mazda out of three vehicles that I own and may or may not buy another. I just related that I have had a great experience with the one I own in an effort to be fair and offer a different experience with the brand. I've had a couple of very bad experiences with a couple of brands but I don't go spouting out that nobody should ever consider that brand agains because of a problem they had ten years ago.
I had plenty of recent examples as current as your Protege example. I simply mentioned the very old Honda issue as an example of how a company can go from the laughing stock to a very respected quality manufacturer and of course you jumped on IT and ignored the other examples. Very typical. lol.
#17491 of 20187 Re: Mazda Rust [m6user]
Feb 14, 2013 (10:49 am)
I will refrain from rebutting what is typical, other than to say that once again you put words in others mouths in an attempt to justify your back-paddling.
And nowhere did I suggest anyone not buy a Madza, my intention, like you say yours was, was to inform and offer input that they can either use or not, their choice.
And you don't get it...if you did, you would not say I hate Mazda. I do not. But I also do not have respect for any company that does not do the no-brainer right thing, when it is glaring everyone in the face.
I'm out...just no more putting words in my mouth please.
#17492 of 20187 Re: Mazda Rust [gimmestdtranny]
Feb 14, 2013 (11:32 am)
Don't know what you mean by back-paddling as I haven't changed my position or my statements. I guess we can agree that the rust problem for Mazda was 10 years ago and hasn't been an issue with any Mazda models since that time. Is that fair?
It's just like saying that Honda had some tranny problems during the same time frame but hasn't had any significant problems with their trannies since.
#17493 of 20187 Re:Honda trannies
Feb 14, 2013 (12:05 pm)
The PC term is LGBT..................lol
#17494 of 20187 Re:Honda trannies [pegasus17]
Feb 14, 2013 (12:10 pm)
Had to look that one up. Good one!
#17495 of 20187 Back to midsize sedans
Feb 14, 2013 (1:01 pm)
Which cars do you think are the best in class in these categories? Some of them are factual, in that you can just say a particular car has the highest EPA # or acceleration, but others are subjective such as:
Best style: Fusion, Mazda6, Optima, Accord (to me I'd put all those as equal, although I know most others don't like the Accord as much).
Best mpg: Altima (31 combined mpg), Accord (30), Mazda6 (30), Optima (28), Fusion (28)
Best acceleration: believe the Accord wins this one for both 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder models, but I'd have to look it up...
Best reliability & quality: ?
Best safety: Accord for now, according to IIHS
Most bang for the buck: ?
Best visibility: Accord
Best dealers: ?
Best resale value: ?
Lowest maintenance costs: ?
Best handling: ?
Best braking: ?
Best paint colors: ?
Best seats: ?
Most interior room: ?
Biggest trunk: ?
Best glove box light: Not the Accord is all I know. Do the others have one?
Best interior storage: again, not the Accord, but I don't know which one is best for this.