Last post on Dec 03, 2013 at 4:29 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17387 of 20187 Re: 2013 Nissan Altima VS 2013 Ford Fusion, which one would you choose? [hill02]
Jan 27, 2013 (12:56 pm)
Don't drive yourself insane with this decision. You really can't go wrong with any of the current mid-size sedan lineup.
For example: I personally am afraid of CVT's still. I like the idea of actual gears and not a band that will wear out at some point. It is probably silly to even have this preference, since both are tested, tested, and re-tested for reliability. I am sure both units will last a long while.
My point is that after you have done your homework and know that 2 or three cars meet your needs; then buy the ONE THAT YOU LOVE.
It's a big purchase. Enjoy it .
#17388 of 20187 Motorweek comparison test
Jan 27, 2013 (1:29 pm)
Watched the latest episode today, and they compared 5 mid size sedans. Criteria was 28K sticker max. Reviewers were from a few magazine/car sites, and a local family.
in the end, the Accord won. Not a "star" in any one area, but very good in all of them.
the Altima finished last, and they did not eve talk about it. 4th was the Camry. 3rd was the Optima (I think) and 2nd was the fusion.
#17389 of 20187 Re: Motorweek comparison test [stickguy]
Jan 27, 2013 (1:31 pm)
Too bad they didn't include the new Mazda6, or the Passat.
#17390 of 20187 Re: 2013 Nissan Altima VS 2013 Ford Fusion, which one would you choose? [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 27, 2013 (1:55 pm)
It was a combination of assembly issues, software and cooling system design. It really was a perfect storm of multiple things. The software change will prevent future problems.
I think Ford has been consciously pushing hard to get a lot of new vehicles out the door in a short time and now it's catching up to them. But these aren't long term reliability problems and most are being caught before customers are taking delivery.
#17391 of 20187 Re: Motorweek comparison test [backy]
Jan 27, 2013 (1:59 pm)
Comparo was conducted prior to the Mazda being officially for sale. Don't know why the Passat was excluded. IMO or my guess I should say is that sometimes they just limit the number of cars in a comparo because otherwise it can just get way to confusing or that is all the testers they could get ast the same time from the manufacturers.
Jan 27, 2013 (2:10 pm)
#17393 of 20187 Re: 2013 Nissan Altima VS 2013 Ford Fusion, which one would you choose? [cski]
Jan 27, 2013 (2:10 pm)
Yes, and CVTs are hardly a new(er) idea. A CVT was first installed in a car in 1896. A CVT was first used in a motorcycle in 1910. DAF (later Volvo) started using them almost exclusively in the late 1950s. In 1987, Ford, Subaru and Fiat began installing them in subcompacts (Fiesta, Justy and Uno). The objection most people have had with the transmission spooling up to peak power rpm while accelerating (with the resulting drone) has been largely muted. Today they provide good power delivery with the best mpg as compared to a stick or automatic or even dual clutch automatic.
#17394 of 20187 Re: Pic [akirby]
Jan 27, 2013 (2:24 pm)
Hey, you're right. That IS a pic. Good one.
#17395 of 20187 Re: 2013 Nissan Altima VS 2013 Ford Fusion, which one would you choose? [gregg_vw]
Jan 27, 2013 (2:28 pm)
Am I missing something? It seems all I hear is how much better the CVT is for MPG but the cars that have them don't seem to have all that much better MPG than cars with traditional torque converter trannies. Like the new Mazda6. About the same HP as the Altima and about the same MPG. But the Altima has the CVT. Shouldn't that mean a substantially better MPG than the Mazda? Or is there so many other things that the Mazda is doing better that outweighs or matches the CVT benefit?
#17396 of 20187 Re: Motorweek comparison test [m6user]
Jan 27, 2013 (2:30 pm)
most likely true on the mazda. And they depended on the makers sending over cars that fit the bill, so possibly VW did not have one, or didn't bother to send it? I know the Malibu was not included because it exceeded the price limit.
And they did comment that the CVT was the best yet, and that you pretty much would not know it had one, if you did not already know!