Last post on Dec 10, 2013 at 5:02 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17364 of 20239 Re: 2014 Mazda6 [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 25, 2013 (7:02 pm)
First, we have no idea how much the diesel will be, what trim levels it will be offered in or what the efficiency ratings will be. They are expected to surpass the Passat
Second, VW has been KILLING it with the TDI in the last couple years with the Passat, Golf and Jetta models. They are selling like crazy.
Buying a diesel is like buying a hybrid. It takes years before the total cost of ownership equals out when comparing to a regular gasoline engine. It will stop some, but not all. There does seem to be a demand for a clean-diesel here in the States, especially when Mazda's does not require any NOx after treatment.
#17365 of 20239 Re: 2014 Mazda6 [aviboy97]
Jan 25, 2013 (7:28 pm)
I hear ya..but let's plan to revisit this page and date when they are finally out and prices and equipment levels have been announced.
Again..this coming from a guy who likes diesels and respects the entirely different rewards and amounts of how torque and the general way the engine delivers in every day use.
edit: but hey...hopefully Mazda will break this past 1.5 decade practice, and offer the diesel tit for tat for a 1200 - 1500$ premium over gas and call it a day..one can hope..
Remember when VW offered the Golf/Jetta in diesel or gas for same price? Those were the good ol' days..
#17366 of 20239 Re: 2014 Mazda6 [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 25, 2013 (7:24 pm)
Then there's the price premium for diesel fuel. In my town it's about 30% over 87 octane (why so much, I have no idea). So the diesel Mazda6 would need to get 50+ mpg in real world highway driving to overcome that. Tough bar to cross for a midsized sedan. Plus whatever the purchase price premium is.
#17367 of 20239 Re: 2014 Mazda6 [backy]
Jan 25, 2013 (7:34 pm)
it's about 30% over 87 octane (why so much, I have no idea)
I could offer my opinion on this, but in past have been accused of being a conspiracist.
Especially when you consider that it costs them less to refine diesel than gas..but I digress
And is why I used the term political in my earlier post..
#17368 of 20239 Re: 2014 Mazda6 [aviboy97]
Jan 25, 2013 (7:41 pm)
Buying a diesel is like buying a hybrid. It takes years before the total cost of ownership equals out when comparing to a regular gasoline engine.
There are other 'values' of a diesel other than mileage, i.e. torque. In heavier vehicles like our mini-van I'd prefer a diesel even if the fuel savings were minimal.
Sometimes manufacturers add 'gimmicks'...vtec may be nice in a sports/sporty car but for some people, especially minivan drivers and laid back drivers, revving to 4500+ rpm to gain the 'gimmick' feature means you don't take advantage of the feature.
Similarly, some people who drive a Mazda 6 may not want to rev to 5k all day. The commute in stop and go would be better served with a small diesel.
Not that I'm opposed to revving and driving like you stole it...years past, I recall driving a Civic Si for 14 Hours straight at over 5K rpm. I was going pretty fast. Luckily I didn't get a ticket...hopefully I've gained some wisdom over the years
#17369 of 20239 My take on diesel & fuel efficiency
Jan 25, 2013 (7:49 pm)
Unless you are a taxi driver that puts 100s of thousands of miles on your car, one may never see the financial benefit of buying a hybrid or diesel. But if you think of diesel as an engine upgrade, then the extra fuel mileage is just a bonus.
Just a small point of reference. I drive a 2011 BMW 328xi sedan (230 hp/200 lb ft of torque). I average about 21 - 22 mpg with it. I had to bring it in for service and was given a 2011 335d (265 hp/425 lb ft of torque) as a loaner car. This diesel BMW was an absolute monster. A rocket taking off from stop, effortless passing on the highway, quiet & smooth. Oh yeah, I averaged 32 mpg with it by just driving how I normally drive (75-80 mph on the highway).
#17370 of 20239 Re: My take on diesel & fuel efficiency [nyccarguy]
Jan 25, 2013 (7:54 pm)
good point about engine upgrades.'
again, look at your 3 series. You could have gone with a 335 instead, and paid many thousands of $$ for a bigger, more powerful engine. Even after you adjust for different equipment, there is a pretty hefty premium for an engine upgrade.
#17371 of 20239 Re: My take on diesel & fuel efficiency [stickguy]
Jan 25, 2013 (8:00 pm)
True, but look at the price difference of the Passat (2.5) & the TDi. Drive the 2 cars back to back & tell me the TDi isn't worth it.
There was NO WAY I was going for a 335xi. I had to pull out the heavy artillery to convince the wife we should ditch our perfectly fine 2010 TSX (which was 1/2 paid for) in order for me to lease my 2011 328xi.
#17372 of 20239 Re: My take on diesel & fuel efficiency [nyccarguy]
Jan 25, 2013 (8:05 pm)
The Passat is a completely different (and much better) car with the TDI engine versus the anemic 2.5. Unfortunately, the price difference (approx. 5k) is too high (for me)...
#17373 of 20239 2013 Nissan Altima VS 2013 Ford Fusion, which one would you choose?
Jan 26, 2013 (10:23 pm)
At this point I've read a ridiculous amount of bias online reviews concerning the 2013 Nissan altima and the new Ford Fusion. "Ford haters" that seem to comment on EVERY fusion review claim the vehicle is basically..well crap, just because it's a Ford(American made watch out!).Those who claim they've recently purchased the new altima complain about the car shaking, along with seating and steering issues. Both cars have great safety ratings and there's really no price difference with the vehicles being stripped or fully loaded. I've personally seen both vehicles interior and exterior in person and in the looks category the Ford Fusion wins. Pictures do this car no justice! My only problem with purchasing this vehicle are the recent recall scares(specifically the engine fires!) leaving me to believe that if this car already has 2 recalls in the past few months it has been out, will there be more later? This led me to go for the safer option, which is, the Nissan Altima. The updated altima is safe and attractive in a Nissan way, but is that all the car has to offer? I want something new and fresh! So the point of this is, I need some more views people have on my personal debate between the Ford fusion and the Nissan altima. Which car would you choose and why? Tell me about your experience with driving or owning one of these vehicles! In the end I know the decision is only mine, but I would like to be completely aware of any issues to look out for before choosing a car!