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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Jan 20, 2013 (2:55 am)
I went to a Mazda dealership this morning before they were open. They had a 2014 Mazda6 sitting outside with no sticker on it. It was the Soul Red Metallica color that Mazda has used in almost all the promo photos, and man was that a beautiful car. Easily the best looking midsize sedan available, even when compared to the Fusion, Sonata, or Optima. I can't wait to go back and test drive one when they are actually on sale and they have more stock to choose from. This one appeared to be loaded from looking inside the window. The only problem I see is the lack of a V-6 option. After driving the 2013 Accord EX-L V-6, a four-cylinder is going to have its work cut out in order to impress me. I'm not that concerned with fuel economy.
#17341 of 20222 Re: 2014 Mazda6 [romil01]
Jan 20, 2013 (9:10 am)
I think the Mazda is easily the best looking/most distinctive of the lot.
As for engines, most companies are moving toward 4 cylinders only in mid-size cars (Fusion, Sonata, Optima, Malibu). Japanese manufacturers will soon be dispensing with them as well. And why not? The direct injection turbo 4s have as much or more power than the much larger 6s, while giving the company's overall mpg a boost. The noise problem has been addressed, there is little to no turbo lag anymore, and the DI turbos have greater torque...a win for everyone.
#17342 of 20222 Re: 2014 Mazda6 [gregg_vw]
Jan 20, 2013 (9:56 am)
I have rarely ever felt I needed a 6. Would I have liked to have one, if price and ongoing FE was not an issue? Of course..but since both parameters are and always will be an issue for me, I guess I am going to be ok with 4's for life. Now turbos...the new ones that are designed to run on 87, will we see longevity from them? The kind that we have grown to assume from NA engines? Time will tell. Of course they are all the rage now and really do make a lot of sense for many reasons and having such low end torque where you use it in everyday driving is intoxicating and that much more so when you consider you are having that much fun without the same fuel hit of a similar output 6. Longevity/$ spent is the wild card, IMO..and like I say, time will tell.
Turbos used in a diesel are a lot less demanding than in a gas job. Diesels already have beefed up blocks, cranks, bearings, rods to handle the extra compression stroke etc so are already more capable of the extra torque created through turboing, and because a diesel runs so much more efficiently than a gas, it is better capable of dealing with the extra heat created by a turbo. Heat is a killer on gas jobs...oil, bearings etc all suffer if they get too hot on old oil etc.
Just watched a test on the new Altima and they were saying that the 4 made quite the racket when accelerating hard. Something Honda and Toyota seems to have under wraps.
The other thing I am truly skeptical about were the FE claims of the 13 Altima. I'm not sure what EPA is, but in Cda they were claiming a fairly significant improvement over the new Accord (which gets the nod over the Camry) in both city and highway. It was quite a difference...like about 4mpg in town and 5 difference on the highway. Considering the 13 Accord's numbers already sound impressive, makes me suspect a bit of optimism with the Altima's claimed numbers.
They also mentioned that the 4 uses a belt in the CVT now and the 6 uses a chain still. A belt will lower weight no doubt and lower rolling inertia mass, but I wonder what the lifespan of a belt will be in a car? They last pretty well on motorcycle scooters that use a CVT even with fairly large displacement engines, but when you start loading a car up with the capacity of an Altima, seems like a lot of load to keep under wraps and still provide longevity.
I say all this, naturally assuming it is an expensive replacement. For a little scooter they run over 200$, so the one for a car must be a lot richer than that, and installation is likely fairly involved too.
#17343 of 20222 Re: 2014 Mazda6 [romil01]
Jan 20, 2013 (10:33 am)
I have been very impressed by what I've seen/read about the new Mazda6. I love the looks, inside and out, and love the FE of the Skyactiv powertrain. Also the fact it comes with a 6MT standard on the lower trims. I checked out the specs and features on mazdausa.com last night and found that I could probably be happy with the base (Sport) model. I was thinking of a small hatch for my next car, but if the Mazda6 is close in price to the likes of the Mazda3i Touring hatch (which is nearly $21k list for the 6MT) I might be tempted to up-size.
Jan 21, 2013 (9:18 am)
It's a beautiful car. I want mine in red, of course.
The last thing I NEED is a new car, but this one is tugging at my "want" side.
#17345 of 20222 Re: 2014 Mazda6 [kirstie_h]
Jan 21, 2013 (9:54 am)
Wow..is it ever a looker, eh? I especially appreciate that it's a 6 speed in lieu of a CVT. Also love that fact that they lost the red instrumentation lighting. Gawd I hate red dash displays. They literally were a deal breaker for me in the past.
I hope (and will not be surprised) if they really hit this one right outta the park..
One would assume that they have hot galvanized the body, but I wonder if the roof is too? I hear some brands are and some still aren't. Rust around a windshield can literally take an otherwise reliable, dependable and enjoyable, but long out of warranty, vehicle off the road.
(the corrosion reappears after a windshield replacement..needed for any certification.. and keeps popping the new windshield. Body repair attempts at replacing an entire windshield frame A pillars and all is obviously prohibitively expansive and still not warranted.)
#17346 of 20222 Re: 2014 Mazda6 [kirstie_h]
Jan 21, 2013 (10:04 am)
Red would normally be my choice, but I just leased a ruby red Sonata for my wife (beautiful in that color) and I also have a red Elantra GT in the family stable (driven by my son to college). So I might have to go another route on my next car. And truth be told, I don't really NEED a NEW car; I do need a car by this fall but depending on finances at the time I could go used. The automakers make it so darn hard to go used though!
#17347 of 20222 problem with all these
Jan 21, 2013 (1:32 pm)
after seeing them at the car show, I was having trouble justifying buying one of these when for the same price, I could get a 2 YO 3 series, with pretty low miles on it.
#17348 of 20222 Re: problem with all these [stickguy]
Jan 21, 2013 (1:39 pm)
"All these" are much larger than a 3 series. Heck they're almost all larger than a 5 series even.
#17349 of 20222 Re: problem with all these [akirby]
Jan 21, 2013 (1:42 pm)
well, I don't need that much room, and find the new models to really qualify as "full size", so not a drawback to me!