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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan

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#17288 of 18436 Re: CR backpedals on Ford hybrid test results [backy] by acdii

Dec 27, 2012 (8:24 am)

Replying to: backy (Dec 14, 2012 6:57 pm)
I learned this lesson too late. Majority of my driving is on Rural highway of 55 MPH. My 2010 FFH does OK, gets in EPA and during summer exceeds it. My 2013 however cant even get over 38 highway, no matter what the temps are. I drove it down to Florida where the temps were in the upper 70's, and it did not do anywhere near 47 MPG.
 
For the kind of MPG I am getting in the 2013 FFH, I could have saved 10K and bought a Focus.
 
For those of you who dont live in a City, and are eyeballing this car, Do not buy the Fusion Hybrid! You will be better off getting the Titanium for less money.

#17289 of 18436 Re: I'm stickin'... [iluvmysephia1] by cski

Dec 28, 2012 (11:51 am)

Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 26, 2012 4:01 pm)
Since Mitsubishi has no current offering in a mid size sedan. we have not been talking about the companies offerings as of late. More than a few magazines have been questioning their commitment in the US market.
 
They have the Lancer and the Outlander, both of which are not doing well. The companies finances are in question; and thus I would not feel comfortable at all with purchasing an automobile from them at this time.
 
I can't even bear to talk about the Kia Sephia (shuddering). Uggghh.

#17290 of 18436 Re: I'm stickin'... [iluvmysephia1] by gregg_vw

Dec 28, 2012 (5:39 pm)

Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 26, 2012 4:01 pm)
So, you tend to stay with underdogs. Good for you. I suspect that Mitsu may also leave the US market, but like Suzuki, remains big enough to survive as an auto company worldwide. At this time, their products offered here are passable, but just barely competitive. Sales confirm that. BTW, the Lancer GT is not the best compact offering out there. Numerous comparison tests confirm that. Meanwhile, this is a midsize sedans thread. Mitsu doesn't even have an offering here.

#17291 of 18436 Re: I'm stickin'... [gregg_vw] by akirby

Dec 28, 2012 (6:57 pm)

Replying to: gregg_vw (Dec 28, 2012 5:39 pm)
Got a Kia Optima for a rental in Seattle earlier this week. Looks nice on the outside but was not impressed on the inside. The seats were really hard and not comfortable on a 1 hour drive (front and rear). Did not care for the red/orange lighting but that's just personal preference. The steering wheel controls are a mix of recessed buttons and raised rocker switches - did not like the rocker switches. The plastic around the center stack was really hard and cheap.
 
On the good side, the drivetrain was pretty solid with good power and the tranny shifted well. Steering feel was good and the wipers worked well (it rained every day).
 
I used a Hertz gold choice to select the Optima - the other choices were Camrys and Malibus. Lots and lots of Malibus. Given the choice I'd take the Optima again. Not a bad car for the money.

#17292 of 18436 Re: I'm stickin'... [akirby] by cski

Dec 29, 2012 (3:58 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Dec 28, 2012 6:57 pm)
Which Optima trim was it, and what year? I am gonna guess LX or EX. They changed the seat cushions completely for 2012 models....but I have an EX and all I have driven other than that is the turbo SX.
 
Thanks for the frank answers. I can tell you that I wear the toggle out for the stereo. Also, the FM reception sounds like AM (it's horrible). I immediately installed a Infinity powered sub with a volume knob installed near the fuse kick panel. Sounds great from thumb drive. FM still sounds like S***. Malibu's and Altima's proliferate the rental car market in many areas. Nissan sold 302,000 Altima's here last year. I don't know about the Malibu's sales. I will never buy GM again.

#17293 of 18436 Re: Altima vs Fusion Hybrid [backy] by cski

Dec 29, 2012 (4:01 pm)

Replying to: backy (Dec 22, 2012 4:45 pm)
I am sorry. Mazda went through all the effort to make the CX-5 a "drivers crossover", then blessed it with only 155HP???? It is a big car!!! WTF?

#17294 of 18436 Re: Altima vs Fusion Hybrid [cski] by m6user

Dec 29, 2012 (7:00 pm)

Replying to: cski (Dec 29, 2012 4:01 pm)
No it is not a big car, it is a compact CUV and weighs about the same as my 2007 Mazda6 and only has one less hp. Nobdody was accusing the Madza6 of being a Porsche but nobody called it underpowered either. Mazda has fixed this problem by putting the 2.5L into the 2014 CX-5 which has 20+ more hp. Every single review I have read on the CX-5 has concluded that it is a "drivers crossover", just not with breakaway, off the line speed. It will get out of it's own way if pushed hard. I've test driven them myself and I was impressed at the ride and cornering ability. Steering was better than my 2013 RDX but I agree that more power would have been nice but certainly not necessary. Show me another CUV in that class that averages 28mpg and gets 26mpg in the city. Those high MPGs don't come free.
 
From what I read they are being sold about as fast as the dealers get them and they have been out for about 11 months now. That's demand that many competitors would like to have.

#17295 of 18436 Re: I'm stickin'... [cski] by akirby

Dec 29, 2012 (7:28 pm)

Replying to: cski (Dec 29, 2012 3:58 pm)
There were no markings on the rear - just Optima and GDI. It only had 8K miles so not sure about the year. The stereo wasn't that great now that you mention it. We kept it turned down for the most part for conversation purposes.

#17296 of 18436 Re: I'm stickin'... [akirby] by cski

Dec 30, 2012 (5:42 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Dec 29, 2012 7:28 pm)
If it had rims, fogs, and dual exhaust w/no markings but GDI on the trunck it is an LX. The LX has smaller 16" alloys, No dual zone A/C,No leather, no wood trim, no manual mode for the trans, no HID's. MSRP $19,900.
 
The EX has 17" rims, dual zone A/C, sport-shift trans mode, leather seats, Black Zebrano wood trim, soft touch dash, rubber trunk liner and floor mat set + carpeted summer mats, etc. MSRP $24,250
 
Basically some of the little touches that make it a little more desirable...and the 17" rubber is nice.

#17297 of 18436 December sales worldwide by gregg_vw

Dec 30, 2012 (6:20 pm)

Pos Model
1 Ford Focus
2 Hyundai Elantra
3 Toyota Corolla
4 VW Jetta
5 VW Passat
6 Ford F-Series
7 VW Golf
8 Chevrolet Cruze
9 VW Polo/Vento
10 Ford Fiesta
 
VW and Ford are doing very well. However, the only mid-size in the top ten is the Passat.

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