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You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17278 of 20239 Re: Altima vs Fusion Hybrid [smarty669]
Dec 22, 2012 (3:45 pm)
Mazda? Nah. They have some great vehicles already (Mazda3, CX-5, Miata, CX-9) and the new Mazda6 looks like a winner, with Skyactiv power trains. Read a review of the 2014 Mazda6 in MT today; they were pretty positive. Just in styling, inside and out, it might be best in class. And it will be the only mid-sized family sedan except the Passat with a turbodiesel... but doesn't need the urea add-on.
I don't know why Mazda doesn't sell more cars. The Mazda3 is very strong in the compact class, and the Mazda6 has been very competitive. Could be if Mazda wants to sell at a higher volume, they'll need to change their "zoom zoom" image, which might not appeal to a broad enough demographic.
#17279 of 20239 Re: Altima vs Fusion Hybrid [smarty669]
Dec 22, 2012 (4:48 pm)
Almost all of your examples here were merely victims of necessary downsizing of redundant offerings. GM being the majority here in one guise or another.
Mazda is smarting (and rightfully so) because of the way they (didn't) handle premature rusting with the early to mid 2000 cars. They have lost a HUGE previously very loyal buyer base because of that alone. And regardless of how interesting their new offerings might be (a turbo diesel strikes a chord of particular interest to me) it takes time for some to forget/forgive.
As for ZoomZoom, it is hard to say for sure if that has run its course by now or not. Pontiac flirted with "driver's car" years ago, but did not realize the (apparent) success that VW has had with it.
#17280 of 20239 Re: Altima vs Fusion Hybrid [gimmestdtranny]
Dec 23, 2012 (7:39 am)
I really don't think it has much to do with the rusting issue. Mazda fell way behind until the last couple of years in miles per gallon. It was definitely a factor in the low sales of the Mazda 6. With skyactiv , they have corrected this. It will take time to build sales again, but they will do it.
#17281 of 20239 Re: Altima vs Fusion Hybrid [gregg_vw]
Dec 23, 2012 (10:09 pm)
Perhaps it is just my perspective (although surely I am not alone in this thinking if anyone else does the actual math) but premature rust to the degree that these cars experienced it, costs a lot more to address than a 4 or even 7 mpg deficit in their class...even for owners who might do well above the national average miles per year, for even a decade or more.
But I will give you the fact that many (and perhaps most) don't actually do the math, so incorrect perception might rule in a case such as this.
#17282 of 20239 Re: Altima vs Fusion Hybrid [gimmestdtranny]
Dec 24, 2012 (5:17 am)
Not sure what the rust issue was about. I purchased a 2000 626 used in 2006, had been driven in Minnesota all those years. Then and my son drove it in Minnesota and Iowa for 4 more years. No rust at all, just a little corrosion on scuffs on the alloys. And it was a nice-handling car, enjoyable to drive (if underpowered by today's standards) even with well over 100k miles on it. I was more scared about the history of the AT than anything, but it held up also (gave it frequent fluid changes).
#17283 of 20239 Re: Altima vs Fusion Hybrid [gimmestdtranny]
Dec 24, 2012 (6:29 am)
I've never heard of anyone complaining about excessive Mazda rusting. I did not experience it with either of my two Mazdas, and I live in Wisconsin, where salted roads are usual for a good portion of the year.
Window sticker MPG is very prominent when comparing models. The CX7 for example was very thirsty compared to its peers. The Mazda6 had very poor mileage numbers for a midsize 4 cylinder. Until Skyactiv, the Mazda3 mpg was not competitive with similar cars. Of course not everyone buys on mpg alone, but it did hurt Mazda sales.
#17284 of 20239 Re: Altima vs Fusion Hybrid [gregg_vw]
Dec 24, 2012 (7:32 am)
We also have a lot of personal experience with this in our family and community and 3 sets of friends varying from 1 to 3 hours away, all have terrible rust in all the same places. The 5 wagon and the 3 were the ones most affected to my knowledge. This link is just one of many that will shed some light for you.
The cars affected in our family and friends, do not park in a heated garage. I have seen some cars though that are so bad I suspect they maybe are put away wet.
I find it a bit surprising that just in day to day observations you have not seen this for yourselves on cars sitting at the mall. They aren't considered mid sized so maybe that's why..
#17285 of 20239 Rust belt and Mid size sedans...
Dec 24, 2012 (9:16 am)
My fam is from Buffalo. You should see some of the land barges that rumbled down my grandparents inner city street. It was at 14th St. on the east side. (Right under the Peace Bridge). (home was sold years ago and they passed).
Why is this relevant? well, my grandfather ALWAYS bought Malibu's. His was a lovely brown V6 with tan interior, a picture of Jesus hung from the rear view mirror, and the Virgin Mary was affixed to the dash. We went up for Christmas every other year, and I loved it. It snowed EVERY DAY. I loved to sit on the porch an watch rusted out Chevy Caprice, Oldsmobile 98's, Delta 88's, Caddy's, etc. All were rear wheel drive w/ chains. No schools closed. The airport was most always open. Snow was a way of life there. The only cars that could survive were big and brutal. the rears always seemed to be dragging the ground. I miss those lazy days on the porch with my cousins and nieces.
Merry Christmas to all!
Dec 26, 2012 (3:01 pm)
with Mitsubishi. They're the only manufacturer that makes any long-term sense to me. They build a great engine and a great powertrain and the best compact offering out there, the Mitsubishi Lancer GT.
True, the Galant is gone. But I'm not in the market for a new car and Mitsu offers the Outlander Sport and Lancer and their new 2014 Outlander is an awesome SUV with AWD as standard equipment.
#17287 of 20239 Re: Only one more week! [puppybone69]
Dec 26, 2012 (8:37 pm)
OK, so it took two more weeks, instead of just one more. My new Ford Fusion finally arrived at the dealer today, and I'm picking it up tomorrow! WOOHOO!