Last post on Dec 13, 2013 at 4:35 PM
You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17249 of 20249 Re: Altima vs Fusion Hybrid [benjaminh]
Dec 19, 2012 (6:45 pm)
I won't be buying anything new for a long time, and most likely it won't be a largeish 4 door like this, but if I were to be in that market, the Accord would once again be high on the list.
I need to swing by the Honda dealer one of these days to sit in a new Accord and Civic.
actually, 2013 is sneaking up on me, and the Philly auto show is in mid-January. So get to see everything then.
#17250 of 20249 Re: Altima vs Fusion Hybrid [backy]
Dec 19, 2012 (6:54 pm)
Assuming your 2007 was a 4 cyl stick shift, how does the MPG compare? Is the 2013 broken in yet?
#17251 of 20249 Re: Altima vs Fusion Hybrid [bhmr59]
Dec 19, 2012 (7:09 pm)
Why would you think my wife's 2007 Sonata was a stick shift? Any idea how many of those were sold in the USA? Not many. One thing you couldn't know is that sticks don't agree with my wife.
Since we've only had the 2013 for 4 weeks and less than 500 miles, I'm sure it's not broken in. And the weather has been seasonable, meaning cold (mostly 20s to 30s). And all city driving so far. So, kinda early to be drawing generalizations about FE, but what I've seen so far is that my wife gets around 20 mpg the way she drives it, which is very short trips, lots of idling, heavy foot on the gas. That's maybe 5-10% better than she was getting on the old car in similar conditions. When the car was brand-new, I got to drive it most of the time for several days and I was getting 25-26 mpg around town, still all short trips (less than 7-8 miles). That was again maybe 5-10% better than the 2007. Given it's a brand-new car with 198 hp vs. 162, not too bad I think. I can't wait to take it on a trip of some distance to see how it does on the highway. Our 2007 was getting 32-33 tops on the highway; I expect to see an improvement with the new car.
#17252 of 20249 Insurance Institute Crash Test
Dec 20, 2012 (1:10 am)
Camry and Prius V get Poor ratings in small offset crash test. This is a common type of crash.
The only bestselling midsize sedan to earn a Good rating was the Accord.
Video and story at link:
"....In the Camry, the force of the impact shoved the front wheel back into the footwell, bending the windshield pillar and pushing the parking brake pedal and the left outer edge of the instrument panel rearward into the driver's survival space. Likewise, there was significant intrusion in the Prius v, along with high forces on the dummy's legs and feet. The Prius v is the only car in the midsize test group to earn a poor rating for hip and thigh protection.
The Camry's driver airbag and side curtain airbag deployed, but the steering wheel moved so far to the right that the dummy's head made only minimal contact with the front airbag. The side curtain airbag didn't extend far enough forward to help prevent the dummy's head from hitting the instrument panel. In the Prius v, the side curtain airbag deployed too late in the crash to offer protection.
"Toyota engineers have a lot of work to do to match the performance of their competitors," Lund says....
The Accord sedan shows how safety belts and airbags work together to provide exemplary protection. The dummy stayed engaged with the Accord's front airbag, and the steering wheel remained relatively stable because there was only moderate intrusion into the occupant compartment. That meant that the driver airbag was in the right position to cushion the dummy's head and chest. The side curtain airbag extended far enough forward to prevent the dummy's head from hitting interior components...."
Dec 20, 2012 (1:13 am)
-- Honda Accord, four-door
-- Suzuki Kizashi
-- Ford Fusion
-- Honda Accord, two-door
-- Kia Optima
-- Nissan Altima, four-door
-- Nissan Maxima
-- Subaru Legacy
-- Subaru Outback
-- Dodge Avenger
-- Chrysler 200, four-door
-- Mazda 6
-- Volkswagen Passat
-- Hyundai Sonata
-- Chevrolet Malibu
-- Volkswagen Jetta sedan
-- Toyota Camry
-- Toyota Prius v
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20121220/OEM11/121219849#ixzz2Fa8G06s7
#17254 of 20249 Re: IIHS [benjaminh]
Dec 20, 2012 (4:08 am)
Better hurry on those Kizashis... they're going-going-gone! But at a great price... I see AWD models advertised for around $16k in my area. Great deal... if you don't mind looking high and low for service and parts.
As for the test... many of these cars were designed before the latest IIHS test was implemented. So not doing well is understandable. But the Malibu is a recent redesign, as is the Camry. So their performance is puzzling.
#17255 of 20249 Crash test's and whatnot.....
Dec 20, 2012 (5:10 am)
I see on the list that the Kia Optima crash result is acceptable, while the Sonata is marginal.
Since these cars' share their platform I find the results puzzling.
I like the new Accord, but I hate that the 2.4 EX doesn't have dual exhaust. There is an empty hole in the left side of the bumper. I hate that. It looks like someone forgot to bolt on the left side.
I know it's silly, but little things like that keep me happy that I bought the Optima.
#17256 of 20249 Re: Crash test's and whatnot..... [cski]
Dec 20, 2012 (5:33 am)
cski: There's the Accord Sport model if you want dual exhaust. But I think the Accord looks very good in any trim.
The thing that would drive me mad about the Optima are the giant blind spots in that car because of the huge rear roof pillars. Not good imho. The Accord, almost alone among all midsize sedans, has excellent visibility all around.
But everyone gets to make their own choices, and the Optima is clearly a very good car except for those pesky blind spots.
Dec 20, 2012 (5:43 am)
Several auto makers made sudden changes to pass this test. From Cars.com:
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/12/honda-shines-toyota-falls-in-latest-i- - ihs-crash-tests.html
"Honda Shines, Toyota Falls in Latest IIHS Crash Tests
....IIHS noted the Ford Fusion, Nissan Altima, Subaru Legacy, Subaru Outback, Volkswagen Passat and Volkswagen Jetta underwent running changes within the 2013 model year to various areas — like airbag modules and structural elements — to earn their Acceptable scores (or Marginal, in the Jetta's case). So if you're shopping any of them, check the driver's doorjamb for a sticker that has, among other certifications, the month your car was built. You'll want to ensure it came after the month during which the change was made:
Subaru Legacy or Outback after August 2012
Volkswagen Jetta or Passat after October 2012
Nissan Altimas after November 2012
Ford Fusions after December 2012
Yes, you read that right. The Fusion earned a respectable score, but IIHS spokesman Russ Rader confirmed it won't apply until January-built cars. Automakers were "notified of what the test parameters are, and some that are able to, elect to make changes," Rader told Cars.com. "We presume that the changes that were made improve the vehicle's performance."
#17258 of 20249 Re: IIHS [backy]
Dec 20, 2012 (5:51 am)
It's a new test, but an important one. Toyota was designing to the previous group of tests, which the Camry passed. I hope they get going on reinforcing the Camry structure to make it competitive.
It just goes to show what reputation for reliability, quality and resale can do for a brand. The Camry is down toward the bottom of the pack in terms of design, interior materials, handling, 4 cylinder power, etc., but it remains the top seller. Most people don't know much about cars, and often if they have a satisfying experience with a brand, they buy it again. Suzuki was very poorly managed here in the US. The Kizashi was a great car, but that did not help Suzuki at all. On the other hand, VW and Nissan have set about building better reputations and sales for Passat and Altima, and are slowly succeeding. Sonata and Optima really built momentum with great designs and time. Knocking Accord and Camry out of first place, however, will still take years, if it happens.