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#17189 of 18195 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [akirby] by aviboy97

Dec 07, 2012 (8:40 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Dec 07, 2012 11:29 am)
I seem to have read that CR drove each car for 2,000 miles. I don't see a publicity stunt here. Just because you do not agree with their findings, does not negate their results. Running E10 in winter does not account for 14mpg off the EPA estimate and I have no doubt the EPA has not tested either car themselves.
 
My in-laws have a 2013 Escape 1.6L Turbo AWD and get 19-20 mpg combined and have 1,600 miles on it. If they were to post or write about their results, would that be considered a publicity stunt too?
 
Unfortunately, there is an abundance of negative news around Ford's newer technology stemming from the EcoBoost F-150's, Escape's and some Fusions. Now add to the mix the C-Max and Fusion Hybrid.

#17190 of 18195 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [aviboy97] by akirby

Dec 07, 2012 (9:02 pm)

Replying to: aviboy97 (Dec 07, 2012 8:40 pm)
I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying it's too early to raise a red flag the way CR raised a red flag.
 
I hope Ford and the EPA retest these vehicles quickly and either confirm the EPA results or confirm there is a problem and fix it.

#17191 of 18195 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [akirby] by m6user

Dec 07, 2012 (9:11 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Dec 07, 2012 7:45 pm)
not some marginally controlled super secret test by CR.
 
If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't have said the above. CR has explained exactly how they test for MPG. I've read it and it is very controlled and in two directions to account for any wind resistance. It's far from secret as they spell it out in their annual auto issue.
 
So I take it from your reply that you really don't know if the cars CR tested had the optional tires or not. Only that Ford offers them. So does Toyota with the Prious BTW. So now it's that Fords engines need so much more break-in, much more than the other brand new cars from other manufactures that CR tests. Heck, even the Hyundai Hybrid wasn't as far off and they have admitted they screwed up. I don't know if CR uses uses winter blend fuel or if they keep a supply of summer blend on hand for testing but even if they don't, wouldn't other makes be subject to the same winter blend and ethanol if applicable? Wouldn't all the reasons you have given affected all tested cars the same? Are Fords that different?

#17192 of 18195 Ford Ford and more Ford recalls... by cski

Dec 08, 2012 (10:13 am)

I hate to break it to you guys, but I just read that more Fusions have been recalled for a headlight lens hazing problem. It is caused by it's bulb's heat.
 
Not a biggie by itself, but considering all the other recalls, Ford has to stop the bleeding due to delay after delay resulting in zero sales. I know Ford will end up on top of things, but can you imagine the pressure the production supervisors are under to get these cars right? Wow.
 
A bit of levity at Ford's expense is all they need , but I just read that last March Ford sent out 300,000 memory stick's. They were sent to Ford owners to fix the My-Ford-Touch system. Download time? 1 hour. During the 1/2 of installation time you can't change anything in the car such as A/C and stereo.
 
Ford suggested in a U tube video to install it "on a long trip when you will not need to use the stereo or climate controls". Ford went on to suggest "doing a crossword puzzle, read a book, or whatever you feel like doing".
 
Perhaps smashing the dash with a sledgehammer?

#17193 of 18195 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [m6user] by akirby

Dec 08, 2012 (10:36 am)

Replying to: m6user (Dec 07, 2012 9:11 pm)
Get a car and rerun the EPA test and see if they get 47 mpg. Any other testing or speculation is irrelevant. Too many variables.
 
Yes, Ford engines require around 5K miles to yield maximum mpg. Winter blend fuel lowers mpg compared to the EPA test. Optional tires lower mpg if they are not LRR. Winter heat requirements lower mpg in hybrids.
 
All those COULD explain CRs lower mileage. Maybe something changed with the driver or the course.
 
I'm not saying there isn't a problem - there could be something that changed in production or a bad part of software. But the only way to know is to rerun the EPA test the same way it was run before. Anything else is apples to oranges.

#17194 of 18195 Re: Ford Ford and more Ford recalls... [cski] by puppybone69

Dec 08, 2012 (10:45 am)

Replying to: cski (Dec 08, 2012 10:13 am)
Oh, joy. Is this a separate issue from the original headlight problems a couple months ago?

#17195 of 18195 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [akirby] by backy

Dec 08, 2012 (10:45 am)

Replying to: akirby (Dec 08, 2012 10:36 am)
In the same test (CR), they got well over 40 mpg highway on the new Altima 2.5 with CVT. Odd how a conventional and relatively powerful 4-banger can easily over-achieve the EPA ratings on CR's test, but the Ford hybrids cannot. Most cars in fact get over the EPA rating on CR's highway test. But they tend to under-achieve on the CR test compared to the EPA city rating, as CR's "city" test is pretty severe (read "more real world") from what I've read about it.

#17196 of 18195 Re: Ford Ford and more Ford recalls... [cski] by gregg_vw

Dec 08, 2012 (11:03 am)

Replying to: cski (Dec 08, 2012 10:13 am)
Most updates provided from any manufacturer, whether memory stick or CD, take that much time or longer. The data being entered are huge. Be glad that software can now be updated in this manner, improving the performance of the electronic controls, navigation and sound systems.

#17197 of 18195 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [backy] by akirby

Dec 08, 2012 (12:56 pm)

Replying to: backy (Dec 08, 2012 10:45 am)
Yes, it is odd and that's why it needs to be investigated further. But it's premature to declare it's a problem based on ONE non scientific test. It doesn't matter how "real world" the CR test is - it's not how the EPA test is conducted and there are far more variables.
 
I'm sure Ford will retest and we'll know one way or the other. Sometimes things change during production that produce unintended consequences or parts get changed by the suppliers.
 
Ford is having serious issues with its "global" vehicles designed and/or sourced from Europe. They absolutely need to get that addressed before the next product launch.

#17198 of 18195 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [akirby] by backy

Dec 08, 2012 (2:25 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Dec 08, 2012 12:56 pm)
So, you are saying the only way to test fuel economy is the EPA's test?
 
The real world does have variables--sorry. And CR does document how they perform their test. It could even be considered "scientific"... but clearly not by you.

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