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#17176 of 18220 Re: 2013 fusion production delays by serenity185

Dec 01, 2012 (3:38 pm)

It's a shame that Ford has had so many issues with their recent launches. The new Focuses, Escapes, and Fusions sound like very nice vehicles, but I'm leery of purchasing any new Fords after hearing about some of the problems they've had. A few years ago Ford seemed to have really good reliability, but these recalls remind me of the Ford of 2001/2002.

#17177 of 18220 Re: 2013 fusion production delays [serenity185] by akirby

Dec 01, 2012 (3:53 pm)

Replying to: serenity185 (Dec 01, 2012 3:38 pm)
Moving to European platforms is saving a lot of money but is causing a lot of teething problems getting those platforms into North American factories. These aren't long term reliability problems - these are bad parts or bad assembly or both. Once fixed they won't reoccur but this has to be killing Mulally. Won't stop me from buying a new Fusion but I might wait an extra month or two.

#17178 of 18220 Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion by puppybone69

Dec 03, 2012 (12:55 am)

1: I want to buy a new car from an American manufacturer
2: I only have $30,000 to spend on it
3: In my opinion it's the only midsize sedan worth having that meets the above criteria
4: I love the styling of the new model
5: I want to be among the first to own one
6: I've never owned a Job 1 car before and I think it'll be cool to own one
7: I've never special ordered a new car before and I wanted to do so at least once in my lifetime
8: I'm aware that production problems and delays are common for first year redesign cars
9: I have no control over how long the waiting period for manufacture and delivery is
10: I need a new car but I'm not in a big hurry to get one

#17179 of 18220 Very Happy with Titanium 2.0 ecoboost by dwjhatton

Dec 04, 2012 (8:01 pm)

I just bought car off of the lot. Ruby Red, Titanium, 2.0 liter. Navi, Driver Assist and Sunroof. I didn't really have to have sunroof but I didn't want to wait for the order and nothing else in the area available.
 
Very happy with the car, drives great. Feels really good. Great acceleration compared to 2007 Civic. Had to have headlamps fixed prior to release from dealer. Got about 1500 off from MSRP, was happy with the deal.

#17180 of 18220 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [puppybone69] by cski

Dec 07, 2012 (7:39 am)

Replying to: puppybone69 (Dec 03, 2012 12:55 am)
Cool! Good for you! Congrats on your new car.
 
I wanted a new car too. I needed to stop my '99 Grand Cherokee V8 from bleeding me dry with repair bills. I researched mid size sedans for 6 months before my selection.
 
Every day I look at it and am damn proud and happy about it. If I had to do it again I would have bought one with a power passenger seat, and heated seats. I miss that feature from my Grand Cherokee.
 
Please let us know everything about your Fusion as you get to know it! Stuff like handling, engine, features, looks, color, and hey...post a picture or two!

#17181 of 18220 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [cski] by gimmestdtranny

Dec 07, 2012 (8:17 am)

Replying to: cski (Dec 07, 2012 7:39 am)
But most power passenger seats (not counting very high-end autos) have only 4 way or sometimes 6 way adjustability.. and the key adjustments missing are the two most important opnes in terms of operator ease, are the cushion tilt front and rear (with both being the 8 way).
And the power fore and aft is a real waste on front passenger seats in most cars. If a child seat is installed it is usually behind the passenger seat and basically all cars will accommodate one when seat is in furthest rear position, and even if you do have to move it, fore and aft is one of the easiest moves there is..unless you are extremely large-sized or have age related or other type disabilities.
 
I hear Ford has (also) been caught with 20% optimistic fuel economy results on their hybrid Fusions and Escapes. 20% is a huge number!
That said, the owner here on this forum who recently has been informing us of his experiences with his new hybrid, seems to get quite acceptable fuel economy IMO, as I interpret his driving style and locale.

#17182 of 18220 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [gimmestdtranny] by akirby

Dec 07, 2012 (11:29 am)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Dec 07, 2012 8:17 am)
Ford hasn't been "caught" by anybody. CR was disappointed in the results of their tests which doesn't prove anything. Ethanol, winter blend fuel, cold weather and optional tires will reduce hybrid mileage on any vehicle.
 
Until the EPA runs their own tests it's nothing but speculation and publicity seeking by CR.

#17183 of 18220 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [akirby] by m6user

Dec 07, 2012 (12:08 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Dec 07, 2012 11:29 am)
I think the problem CR had was that they test cars the same and they had never had such a huge discrempancy from the EPA rating compared to their results on any cars they have ever tested. I think they were short about 20% on both the Fusion and the C-max. I do believe all the "qualifiers" you mentioned would affect all vehicles tested and not just Fords.
 
And Ford issuing their "estimates" is not publicity seeking prior to the EPA testing? Good for the gander etc.

#17184 of 18220 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [gimmestdtranny] by cski

Dec 07, 2012 (12:31 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Dec 07, 2012 8:17 am)
All I really want is a passenger height adjustment on my Optima. My kids can barely see out the window, and yes they are old enough and tall enough to ride up front.
 
I only said power seat because I had it on my Jeep and liked it. The kids miss the Jeep because, and I quote "this car makes me feel like I am looking out of a tank dad". "I cant see anything".
 
Rotten kids!!! LOL.

#17185 of 18220 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [m6user] by akirby

Dec 07, 2012 (2:32 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Dec 07, 2012 12:08 pm)
It's reason enough to take a closer look. But as far as seeking publicity - Ford is required by law to execute the EPA tests and report the results on the window sticker. This is not their own test - it's somebody else's test and it's required. So they have to put it on the sticker and the purpose of the test is to allow consumers to compare different vehicles. So of course Ford and every other mfr is going to use that number in their advertising.
 
CR, on the other hand, takes the results of 2 vehicles that are barely broken in and runs them on their own private test which they refuse to provide details for and proclaims there is a problem.
 
It's not what they're reporting - it's how they're reporting it.
 
I would like to see Ford take those exact vehicles and run them through the actual EPA test cycle and report the results.
 
Hybrids are much more sensitive to cold weather than non hybrids since the ICE has to run for heat. And I still believe the optional tires are costing 2-3 mpg right off the bat because they're wider and not LRR. The EPA tests are done with the standard wheels and tires by rule.

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