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#1716 of 18228 Re: Just don't get it [benderofbows] by urnews

Jun 06, 2007 (11:41 am)

Replying to: benderofbows (Jun 06, 2007 11:07 am)
So I thought I'd give Honda another shot. We'll see how it goes!
 
Is it a 2007? I'm surprised that you gave Honda a second chance. The 1990 Accord EX must not have been too awfully bad after all.
 
What model did you get? What was the MSRP? Our 2007 SEL AWD Fusion had a MSRP of $27,105. We considered the Accord and Camry to be out of our price range even though we didn't talk turkey with the Honda/Toyota dealer (one in the same).

#1717 of 18228 Re: Initial Quality [baggs32] by akirby

Jun 06, 2007 (12:04 pm)

Replying to: baggs32 (Jun 06, 2007 11:20 am)
A perfect example of posting information without passing judgement or making any declarations of superiority.

#1718 of 18228 Re: Initial Quality [baggs32] by urnews

Jun 06, 2007 (12:08 pm)

Replying to: baggs32 (Jun 06, 2007 11:20 am)
Definitely an eye-opener. Impressive scores for Ford and FoMoCo products.

#1719 of 18228 Re: Just don't get it [captain2] by goodegg

Jun 06, 2007 (12:31 pm)

Replying to: captain2 (Jun 06, 2007 10:32 am)
as far as getting defensive about buying an Accord, they don't need to - those same sales, reliability, and residual value statistics provide all the justification needed - it is best in class. Whether you or I agree, objectively or subjectively, is not the point.
 
IN MY OPINION I agree with you. Those that don't agree with us can just ignore it, like the vast majority of posters here are doing. I'm not disparaging others' choice of car.
 
The Accord isn't some kind of anomoly or quirk. Its a fantastic car even tho its a 5 year old design! How many other 5 year old design cars can say the same?
 
The 2008 model will surely be a hit - IN MY OPINION. The competition has laid out their wares. Honda will undoubtedly take all these into account for their next offering. I can't wait to check one out.

#1720 of 18228 Re: Just don't get it [urnews] by benderofbows

Jun 06, 2007 (12:35 pm)

Replying to: urnews (Jun 06, 2007 11:41 am)
"I'm surprised that you gave Honda a second chance. The 1990 Accord EX must not have been too awfully bad after all."
 
Well, remember it went from new to 100,000 miles over 9 years with its original owners with no problems. And then, as I found out later, after I sold it with 140,000 miles the third owner put at around 80,000 or more miles with "minimal problems." Lets see, I'd have to pull the records, but off the top of my head... besides wear items and maintenance... intake manifold clogged (they had to drill holes), igniter failed (all electronics went dead including instruments as I was driving), starter solenoid problems, various electronic accessories failed. So no, not too awfully bad, no "major" repairs but it was the least reliable car I've had (except for the Ford, which is another story all together, but at least most of THAT MESS was under warranty so it doesn't seem so bad. I just had to endure lots of Ford Taurus loaner cars).
 
I did get a 2007 Accord LX 5-speed, MSRP $20,200? I paid about $17,800 (or $300 under invoice). A completely different animal than your Fusion, which sounds like a very nice car.

#1721 of 18228 Who cares about "best in class"? by backy

Jun 06, 2007 (12:42 pm)

Here's a thought on why it's important for some people to feel as if their car is "best in class": if someone pays a significant premium for a car, they probably expect it should be "better" than other cars that cost less. The "more better" their car is, the more value the price premium they paid has. OTOH, if someone buys a car that meets their needs, at a relatively low price, the fact that their car isn't "best in class" is immaterial. They got the car they wanted, at a good price, so that is what's important.
 
It may also be related to how some people like to buy cars from brands that have more prestige among the general public. That extra prestige has value to them and helps them feel better about owning their car. The more prestige, the better. And "best in class" adds to the prestige of the car.
 
Then there are those who don't care what the brand is, or even care if they are driving a 20-year-old rustbucket, as long as it gets them where they need to go.
 
Different strokes for different folks. That's why brands like Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lexus etc. exist and do well.

#1722 of 18228 Re: Just don't get it [captain2] by akirby

Jun 06, 2007 (12:45 pm)

Replying to: captain2 (Jun 06, 2007 10:32 am)
So what would you do if you bought a 08 Accord this fall and then next fall the new for 09 Fusion beats the 08 Accord in every magazine comparison and in all the relevant objective tests (0-60, reliability, skidpad, slalom, braking, etc.)?
 
Would you rush out and buy a 09 Fusion? Somehow I don't think so. Nor should you unless you're unhappy with the Accord for some reason.

#1723 of 18228 Re: Just don't get it [benderofbows] by urnews

Jun 06, 2007 (12:54 pm)

Replying to: benderofbows (Jun 06, 2007 12:35 pm)
I did get a 2007 Accord LX 5-speed, MSRP $20,200? I paid about $17,800 (or $300 under invoice).
 
Sounds like you got a decent deal. I didn't realize Accords started around $20,000. We should have shopped around some more, obviously.
 
I realize the Taurus was the best-selling car in America for several years running but they never did much for me. Of course the best-selling title now belongs to the Camry and they don't excite me either. Obviously my wife and I dance to the tune of a different drummer when it comes to the automotive world.
 
Having many choices is a good thing, methinks. When it comes to popularity, I suspect Toyota and Honda will continue to lead the pack for quite some time.
 
That's not a bad thing. It makes the "other guys" try harder, produce a better product. Competition is good. Ford let the Taurus die on the vine, in my humble opinion.

#1724 of 18228 Re: Just don't get it [akirby] by captain2

Jun 06, 2007 (1:40 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Jun 06, 2007 12:45 pm)
Personally, the favorite in the clubhouse is likely the 08 Altima 3.5 but given that highly unlikely Accord/Fusion scenario you present - the 'new' engine for the Fusion is supposed to be another 3.0DT this time at a relatively paltry 240hp and may not make it until 2010 or even 2011, the new Honda V6 which likely will make it under the hood of the 08 should easily be somewhere in the 260-270hp range and be available not only on time but also offer a diesel alternative (less hp more torque and really great FE). The direct answer to your question, is no I probably don't rush out and buy that Fusion even if becomes (from a dynamic perspective) what you think it could, because that imaginary Fusion at least right now has neither the track record of long term reliability nor the history of high residuals that the Accord has maintained for 20 years or so. Do I go out and give it a hard look - sure, but those cars that have statistically proven to be 'better' in those reliability/residual value-cost to own studies will always top my list and after that it generally comes down to power and refinement under the hood, which generally is my true top priority.

#1725 of 18228 Re: Just don't get it [captain2] by akirby

Jun 06, 2007 (2:06 pm)

Replying to: captain2 (Jun 06, 2007 1:40 pm)
That was a hypothetical situation. I should just said car A and car B. It had nothing to do with the actual cars. I was just trying to understand your motivation relative to ratings and rankings.
 
Even talking about cars that don't yet exist you have to trumpet the mighty Accord and denigrate the lowly Fusion. That's the type of bias that some of us would like to avoid here.

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