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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17090 of 20218 Re: Tip of the iceberg? [tenpin288]
Nov 05, 2012 (2:02 pm)
Maybe they should make car buyers reimburse Manufacturers if they get better mileage. Had a 2003 Sonota V6 which I gave to my daughter (nearing 100,000 miles) and I got 30mpg on the highway. My Current Ford Fusion SEL V6 is rated at 19/26 and I always get close to 30mpg Hwy and around 18 or 19 city. My Wife's Highlander Limited 4WD V6 is rated 17/22 and we get close to the city mpg, but we get 23.5mpg on the highway. Traded a 2011 Kia Sorento EX FWD V6 for the Highlander and usually got 25mpg Hwy, but had trouble getting over 16 city.
#17091 of 20218 Re: Tip of the iceberg? [mtnman1]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Nov 05, 2012 (2:12 pm)
Only if the consumer falsifies the claim, and causes the manufacturer to spend money AFTER the transaction that was not anticipated, as a result of the consumer's false claim.
#17093 of 20218 Re: Hybrid, or not? [ivan_99]
Nov 05, 2012 (5:43 pm)
The EPA tests 10-15 percent of new cars every year. That's not the 'odd audit'.
#17094 of 20218 Re: Oh no... [m6user]
Nov 05, 2012 (6:07 pm)
I bet those Kizashis can be had now for a heckofadeal.
I wonder how long it will be before Mitsubishi follows suit... most of their models have been retired, including the Galant, which at one time was considered one of the top cars in its class.
#17095 of 20218 Re: Concerning the new 2013 Ford Fusion... [backy]
Nov 05, 2012 (7:56 pm)
CR states Ford quality is much better now, they slip in some categories because of the my ford touch system has issues. that brings they're reliability down. Also what the MT or C/D mags mentioned. This isn't a deal-breaker, for me at least. Drive is way better than 2013 Accord.
#17096 of 20218 Re: Hybrid, or not? [akirby]
Nov 06, 2012 (8:25 am)
That seems like an odd audit to me.
What my original post was to convey was MOST of the testing (85% - 90%) is performed by the manufacturers, not the EPA.
#17097 of 20218 Re: Oh no... [m6user]
Nov 06, 2012 (8:31 am)
You could see this coming from a mile away.
Locally...a couple years ago we had a new Suzuki dealership built close to our house. Within a year they went out of business and the facility has been on the market ever since.
#17098 of 20218 Re: Hybrid, or not? [ivan_99]
Nov 06, 2012 (10:39 am)
Yes - most of the testing is done by the mfrs but they are very good at it and they understand that if they're caught fudging the consequences are dire both in terms of their corporate career and PR and financially for the company. The 10% - 15% audit amounts to a "surprise inspection" that keeps most of the mfrs on their toes due to the severe consequences of being caught. Not sure how these guys got away with it for so long - maybe they just got lucky.
I believe only 2 vehicles had been flagged with invalid results in the last 10-12 years and I believe those were relatively minor.
It's easy to cheat but not easy to do it for very long without being caught.
#17099 of 20218 Re: Hybrid, or not? [akirby]
Nov 06, 2012 (1:49 pm)
Yes - most of the testing is done by the mfrs but they are very good at it ...
Well, MOST of them are good at it. Some have some problems there.