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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17058 of 18168 Re: Altima Sales [smarty666]
Nov 03, 2012 (10:08 am)
Speaking of Altima sales and whether fleet buys influence sales numbers... I was in my local Nissan dealership today and had a long talk with a very nice sales rep. One of the things he mentioned was that Nissan has sold 300,000 2013 Altimas to Enterprise. Not sure over what time span the deliveries will be, but that's got to help bump up the Altima numbers.
But the sales rep also said sales of the new Altima had been strong, held down by lack of V6 cars. He said early adopters tend to go for the high-end trims and low-end trims, so they were selling a lot of V6s right now. I sat in it and it looks like a fine entry to me--tons better look/feel wise than the Camry. Rear leg room was more than I expected based on some reviews. I didn't drive one because I am not in the market for that big of a car right now, but did drive the new Sentra--review elsewhere.
#17059 of 18168 Re: Altima Sales [backy]
Nov 03, 2012 (10:31 am)
you must have an extra zero in there. They aren't going to sell 300K total, and no way Enterprise can absorb that many!
Nov 03, 2012 (10:47 am)
New Fusions are only trickling in while most of the 2012s are already gone. It's a simple supply problem. The 2013 should be back to #3 shortly and may give the top 2 a run for their money when Flat Rock comes online. Fusion is currently production constrained in Hermosillo - they can only make about 300K vehicles per year including exports to South and Latin America and the MKZ and MKZ hybrid.
#17061 of 18168 Re: Altima Sales [stickguy]
Nov 03, 2012 (10:48 am)
Then the sales rep had the extra zero. He said 300,000--twice.
#17062 of 18168 Re: Fusions [akirby]
Nov 03, 2012 (10:50 am)
Maybe as production of the new Fusion ramps up they'll address the quality control issues mentioned in early reviews.
With production held to 300,000 a year, the Fusion will never catch the likes of the Camry, Accord, Altima, or even the Sonata/Optima cousins in sales volume.
#17063 of 18168 Re: Altima Sales [backy]
Nov 03, 2012 (10:56 am)
That's what you get for believing a sales person no matter how nice they are. 300k is probably what they will sell totally with Enterprise being just a small portion of that. They have only sold 258k ytd. Maybe they will sell 300,000 to Enterprise over the next twenty years, LOL.
#17064 of 18168 Re: mid size sales race for October [benjaminh]
Nov 03, 2012 (12:21 pm)
Why does the Optima have zero plus or minus figures? The current style has been around for 2 models years....but the Optima has been sold since 2000!
What happened to the sales figures? No offense, but I am into stuff like this, especially on a car that I own! (12 Optima EX). They had to add hours to their shifts in the West Point Georgia assembly plant to keep up with demand. The are other plants producing various versions including turbo-diesel and several small petrol engines not offered in North America.
#17065 of 18168 Re: Fusion Sales annotation [pod]
Nov 03, 2012 (12:20 pm)
Actually, your hypothesis about Fusion sales is not correct. The 2012 Fusion sold better this year than it ever has since introduction. It has not been viewed by buyers as the lame duck it is. The 2013 is available now, but Ford hasn't gotten the pipeline completely full yet with Fusions equipped the way people will want them. Part of that is making sure that the new model's production and distribution are going smoothly before turning the tap on all the way.
BTW, for the last 20 years, I have often bought the first model year of a redesign and have never regretted it. Cars are and have to be good out of the gate these days. If you look at recalls, they are just as likely to happen on models that have been out a few years. Buy what you like when you are ready to buy.
#17066 of 18168 Re: Altima Sales [m6user]
Nov 03, 2012 (12:20 pm)
That's probably it... a multi-year deal. Or an extra zero.
But it should be noted that Toyota, Ford, GM, Chrysler, and to some extent Hyundai/Kia also get significant sales volume for mid-sizers from rental fleets. I see lots of Camrys, Fusions (not new ones yet), Malibus, and Avengers/200s at Hertz for example.
#17067 of 18168 Re: Altima Sales [backy]
Nov 03, 2012 (12:34 pm)
You hit the nail on the head. For example, Ford Truck's are #1 in sales because of dirt cheap volume deals to the US (and other) governments.
Usually the D.O.T. (dept of trans) buys these vehicles by the trainload in order to maintain and repair our roads. Also they are used for snow removal, search and rescue, forestry services and....the US military built to spec.
Most states already have the infrastructure to maintain a certain brand of vehicle...so changing over to chevy or dodge would be mega expensive.